Wormholes

True, you are totally not the forum warrior of Wspace.

Honestly I didnt care about the trolling after I heard from the smaller groups. As for my ranting about groups not fighting us. Well its been like that since before we joined kill.

I can name 3 occasions where we ran into, then, powerful WH groups and were outnumbered but they wouldn't fight.

The first one, we ran into Existential Anxiety about a month after the Whole TL debacle. At this point in time we actually had more people in HK than we do now. Thanks to some house cleaning. (Good bye useless noobs) We had a group of about 20 dudes in null sec in assault frigates. EA saw this fleet, saw our numbers and scouted our hole. They then took the time to let us know, indirectly, that we were being watched. We found their hole and saw about 15ish dudes in assault frigs and a few t1 cruisers and dessies. It was like 22 v 15 with EA having destroyers and cruisers to help balance out the load.

We warped into their fleet, letting them know in local before hand, and engaged them on the hole. After a few seconds of pew, EA pulled back and opened comms saying to stick around they had more dudes logging in. We waited 5 minutes. Three assault frigs popped through WH. We point... then about 20 tech 3s and an archon pops through the hole.



Another instance was when TL still had their numbers after their invasion. They rolled into us, scared off some gas miners, and propmtly set up shop on the hole obviously spooling for a fight. We warp in about 30 tech 3s on top of their 25 ish tech 3s. We have logi support, they dont. We land on grid and promptly decloak their archon. Upon seeing the capital we instantly had people logging in alts to jump in their dreads. But they never even had the chance because TL pulled everything back and pulled the archon through critting the hole. After 20 minutes of griping back and forth, I personally just say F it and rolled the hole with a hic. Was tired of dealing with them.



And the third such engagement happened to be against NOHO. I can not blame NOHO for not coming to fight us. This one is more of a fleet composition issue. We brought about 30 dudes. They brought about 30 dudes. (Remember Xtrah, we had MORE people in HK then than we do now...) You guys also brought similar numbers. Granted you were shorthanded by about 5 dudes, but you more than made up for that with your 13 logistics ships.

This is not an exaggeration. You had 9 guardians and 4 oneiros in that engagement. Your DPS was so low you werent able to break our 3 guardians when you had 1 of them jammed out with an armor ecm tengu. 13 logis... Why would anyone bring 13 logis to anything other than a 150 man fleet.


But anywho there was one more thing I would like to address. You look at repo OP and you see 100 dudes from kill. THis was an OP... People planned for this. Took off time from work for this. Arranged for their kids to spend the night with friends/family for this. So yes we do have higher participation during an OP. During our invasion we had more people online and in game than I have ever seen. And that was when we had 190-200 people in corp. Before we started purging inactives. On an average day if someone were to say. "NOHO just rolled into us and they are spooling for a fight." You might see a 20-30 man fleet. Something I know for a fact NOHO is capable of fielding.

But whatever Ive accepted the fact that I am only getting my kills in null sec. Heres to hoping for my next provi exit. Cheers.

Thanks for the serious answer. I suppose I'm not the only one who misses the days when 15 people in fleet was a lot

Damn you Xtrah I never felt like having this stupid discussion here, but now I have to answer this.

I remember that exact engagement. you(HK) brought the fleet to us, we took the fight unprepared and in the beginning pretty outnumbered and with a rag tag fleet comp.

FC realised we didn’t have proper logi coverage and shouts BRING LOGI. Next thing we have 13 logistic ships. What can I say we have a lot of people willing to step up and bring logi when needed.
As you pointed out it didn’t serve us well we didn’t have a lot of dps and couldn’t beat your fleet.

However that fight ended by you guys jumping back through the hole which you came, when we had a second to take a breath we looked at the fleet comp we had got together and saw that it was very skewed, we then asked for a swap out of surplus logi while our scout jumped after your fleet on the now close to but not quite critical hole.

We decided that we would give 5 minutes for the surplus logi to swap out and then we would balls deep in the system that connected our present position and your homesystem. fully knowing you would be able to escalate with capitals to make up for your lacking logistics or increase dps thirtyfold. And we wouldn’t be able to go back.

I told scout to jump through and tell you to hold on. you had already left.

I told your guys as much afterwards so why this gets brought up again and again beats me.

In general the examples given in this thread off people blue balling leaves me a little blank.

People have different time zones.

Sometime there is no one capable\willing to lead available.

your activity vary, but your enemy will ALWAYS assume u have the largest fleet you have shown in the past at any point.

In my humble opinion everyone needs to take a chill pill, and follow these simple rules.

-let the smaller guys get a chance to grow.

-Don’t hold grudges for how a fight months ago went or didn’t go

-If someone contact you to get a fight then be upright about it don’t jerk people about. If someone says sorry we can’t then take a no as a no (if someone says no 10 times for no reason there might be cause for name calling like carebear of whatever)

-Don’t bother smacking,it often takes away the receivers willingness to ever give u a fair fight, or a fight at all. I’ve never seen someone say “hey these guys are smacking us we need to derp into them”

Ok, I'm back. So, this thread, against QT's honorable will, has turned into blobbers, some notoriously so, calling other people blobbers. Staaaaap, just staaaaaaaaaaap. We don't blob, but we certainly can and have. You blob, but not always. Perceptions are the real enemy here.


Here's something to embrace, though. It was once known that people in wspace were unique in that you could be fighting each other one minute, fighting along side one another the next. No bad blood, no grudges, no complaints, no forum rants, just here for pew.

We're just creating conten for our members and, inadvertently, for otherst. We don't care how it's perceived. We didn't care when it was just Lead Farmers. I almost cared about how we were seen, which was what my page long post attempted to alter, but it was seemingly glazed over.


I admire VoC for not bothering with this pseudo-political bullshit. Instead, like clairvoyants, turned their attention elsewhere where the targets are naive and not full of misconceptions.

If you don't want wspace to go to ****, don't **** it up. Except local. Always **** up local.

Lastly, where are those achievements?

Don't worry, bro.

@ Hidden Fremen, as you said yourself, achievements are subjective so I'm not going to sit here and make a list for you if that's what you are waiting for.

... Instead I'll say this. I'm proud of being what was once one of the biggest forces in wormhole space and a very sucessful mercenary alliance. We took part in some amazing battles and learned a lot while doing it.

Arguabley we where at the top of the wormhole game. even if we used blues or blobs to get there, that's just a testement to our leaders organisational/deplomatic skills. But times change and when you are at the top you can only go down or move sideways and I think the latter is where we are at now.

This whole blobbing debate is pretty stupid. It's clear to anyone with half a brain why a small groups won't enguage the big guys and from the blobbers perspective, it's silly to expect them to tell half their members to sit this one out so a fair fight can be had. We get blobbed and fight outnumbered all the time but we don't create a thread about it, we learn from it.

Respect for your neighbour goes a long way in w-space, so perhaps people should try that if they have a bad case of blue balls.

I'm sure a troll response is imenent but I'm not interested.

http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=47025&adjacent=1

Wormhole collapsed and some of our got stuck :( sound familiar?

Still we had good fun during the fight before and I am still flabbergasted as why you guys jumped out of the fight crashing the wh on our own fleet.

Nice bait trap with the carrier, it smelled like a trap but what can you do other than spring it....and hope for the best.

Too bad it ended like it ended, hope to neut you soon again :)

Cheers,

first of all, I don't think you understand what pathetic means.

second of all, we were split across four wormholes, as there were four corps and now there are 3 corps and 3 wormholes. so in actuality we had maybe a 40/30/20/10 split based on corp members alone for that weekend and you can work the math out for what we can field now on your own.

this is why no one respects you anymore, even besides the fact that NOHO has a pretty well known reputation of late of bringing logi fleets with dps support, your general risk adversity is not appealing.

you know the ironic part of your entire statement is that HK in it's fledgling months used to think very similar to that passage in bold about most other alliances including NOHO, KILL, SSC and now we are seeing the exact opposite; full fledged alliances too chicken **** to engage one corp.