EVE General Discussion

So I died, I made a mistake which laughably got me killed, until i noticed i was inside the POS force field.

Again, I admit the loss could have been avoided, but S--t happens, i already got a new one and my wallet isn't hurting much anyways when you have billions, and the loss could have been a lot worse.

Here is the back story:
I was running my boosting Loki outside my small pos shield orbiting at 11075 with a hostile in system; it was a small tower. I had looked away because i thought i pressed approach the tower (i guess i didn't). A bomber gang jumps in on me and begins hitting me with torps. Now my Loki fit doesn't have a tank, i run 4 boosters. but i approach the tower when i notice impacts into my shields.

Now I was inside the shield, and their locks were broken but the missiles were still coming at me. I think i am safe, but then the volleys hit me and kill me inside the pos (about 1km inside the shield). and the logical thing i did was open a petition. I still have an ongoing communication with the GM, but essentially "it's the mechanics for pos shields and missiles - at the moment" and i have no expectation -or need- to be reimbursed.
(End Story time)

However this is peaking my interests. Shouldn't the damage be negated since the processing of missile damage happens on the time of impact? With bombs you receive no damage when the bomb is launched while you are outside the FF. Drones cant enter the POS either, right? Yet missiles can?

So I going to open a discussion about this if people feel free to talk about this MECHANIC, again not the loss, I F----ed up.

To give both sides credit:

For editing the mechanics
1. You entered a "safe area" or invulnerable state before the damage was processed.
2. It's only fair if other weapon systems get this also like drones (ignore the face they have to target something for this topic) and bombs
3. Missiles you can out run, including into a safe zone.
4. With current logic you should still get damage even if you dock, warp, mjd, or jump - but that's not the case. (granted warping, jumping, and micro jumping will put you out of range in most cases)
5. Missiles should be destroyed upon impact of the force field

For keeping current mechanics
1. Missiles are a primary weapon systems and should keep doing damage even if you run.
2. (I cannot think of many others aside things like "Don't fly what you cant afford" and other trivial statements which people use to insult others or it will give less explosions and make carebears safer**)

Again this is nothing about the loss and not trying to promote changing of mechanics, I want peoples legit opinions on current mechanics and if they like them or want them to change.

**What carebear makes money on a pos shield, this was a boosting ship, not a carebear ship! if your in a carrier just go into the anom or belt and always stay aligned.

It would seem logical to have pos shields block missiles since we do in fact use collision mechanics and missiles indeed do need to travel in order to hit the target (not instant with like, lasers) and damage is considered at time of detonation (which should not happen inside a pos).

Missiles damage are calculated upon impact though anyways, not when activated, so wouldn't there not be additional server load but just an extra check to see if the target is in the FF?

Well, it still has to work correctly though. If a missile has to travel, and that travel time is determined by speed to get a distance, then a shield should be able to block the missile.

Otherwise, if it is not working correctly... there's a TON of modules and rigs that should not be in the game. Let alone the ones they are considering adding into Eve.

I do agree that the shields need to work correctly though.

So we should also require line of sight for gunnery weapon system to hit something while missile since they are guided could use thier flight time to go around objects?

Can we reduce the speed of projectile and hybrid charge to below light speed at the same time?

If the missile system had to deal with it's surrondings when being used, so should other weapons. Since some don't missile gets a free pass too.

But the issue is not one of line of sight, the issue in this case is that damaged was processed in a space where one should not receive damage - be it from a smartbomb or a normal bomb or many other systems. If the missile was changed to that like a turret when damage is calculated on activation then it would be understandable but this is not the case.

I concur. My lasers should be able to do explosive damage and have an explosive radius. That's a good idea you have there.

So you are saying that we should not have different weapon types because it adds more load to the server?

That's moving backwards sir. We should do away with ships altogether and just have knife fights lol.

Not being willing to **** over a weapon system that already has flaws and benefits compared to others is not the same as wanting everything to be exactly the same.

EDIT : I mean the whole damn post you quoted show how missile and gunnery weapon behave differently already.

I'm not asking for it to be changed at all. Thats the point you are missing. All the argument I gave were to show why changing the current rule is a useless PITA that would most likely also require balance changes to compensate.

The POS shield works correctly. It prevent you from getting shot once you are inside of not, not from getting damaged. The locks breaking as soon as you cross teh field prevent any further missile from being shot at you. Everything that was already fired will continue to behave as per the regular rules. If you don;t want to be shot, get inside the POS shield before the shot is fired.