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A very personal question

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Erik Kaassan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-09-24 21:21:02 UTC
It seems like i simply can not get away from it today. Everywhere I go I am bombarded with images and conversations that all lead back to one concept.

Could a Capsuleer be a father?

About five months ago I had fallen in love with an Amarrian woman (her name i will not disclose for her own protection) and we have been dating ever since. I work in null sec almost as much as high sec where she lives and that of course means I don't get see her all the time. I read a mail from her recently while I was off from working and she wished to start talking to me... About marriage and having children. On the Net there is surprisingly little about children between capsuleers and baseliners. Is it even possible with the great genetic differences between capsuleer and non-capsuleer? If it is, then how does one solve the problems such a relationship causes already with the addition of caring for children? Plus, would this mean I stay my age in a clone while my children grow up around me? Any thoughts on this? I'm sorta freaking out and I don't know how to respond!
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#2 - 2013-09-24 23:28:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Yes, you can be a father.

Unless you have undergone significant genetic engineering with your clones, or are using a sterile clone, there should not be any difficulty in reproducing with a baseliner. You're not a different species. You just happen to possess a few genetic traits that make you more compatible with hydrostatic capsule technology. It's similar to how you have genetic traits that give you blonde hair, or a big nose, or a certain susceptibility to male pattern baldness, or genetic predisposition to certain diseases.

That being said, being a parent is not something that should be undertaken lightly. You must treat your status as a capsuleer as you would any other profession when judging if you can be an effective parent based on what criteria you believe defines an effective parent. If providing financial and political security is what makes a good parent to you, then being a capsuleer is most fitting. If being an active and present father figure in your child's life is more important, perhaps you should reconsider your deployment out in null-sec.

In my opinion, which is purely my own and should not determine your choices, I believe a father should be a constant influence on a child. I feel that if you already don't see your lover very often, this is not a good precedent for raising children. You need to, at the very least, see her more regularly and frequently before committing to marriage or children. Your children will not have the luxury of being independent adults that do not need you around all the time. They will require your presence, and a sense of regularity with it. Being an absent lover is controversial. Being an absent father is not an option.

In short, you will need to take a close look at your career choices and determine how best to approach the responsibilities of parenthood.

Your visible age is entirely determined by what choices you make on what your clones look like. You can look 20 years older or younger simply by filling out some forms for a new clone appearance. Keep in mind that the supposed immortality of being a capsuleer would suggest you will outlive your own children by nature.

Katrina Oniseki

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#3 - 2013-09-25 01:43:45 UTC
I whimsically titled myself the "Most Prolific Capsuleer Single Father"

Obviously not prolific enough!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-09-25 02:13:48 UTC
Of course, you could, but would?...
Before thinking what really do you want, have you ever considered others? For example, what would be life for your children...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-09-25 02:28:01 UTC
I think 5 months is a little too soon to be considering marriage and children. I can't give you definitive advice as I don't know you at all and this is your own choice. However keep this in mind, you are young, probably even younger than I judging from your graduation date. At our age, it's not uncommon to imagine spending our entire lives with someone one day, and suddenly dismissing that possibility the next day, especially considering the fast pace of Gallente relationships.

In addition, you should also take the cultural differences of your lover into consideration. Being an Amarrian, arranged and rushed marriages are not uncommon. In some parts of the Empire, a person's partner in marriage is decided even before they are born. Forgive me if I'm stereotyping, but this is a common practice amongst Amarrians, especially for the wealthy and royal, where marriage is a way to elevate you and your family's socioeconomic standing. Several generations of arranged marriages might even get a future family member as a potential heir to the throne.

Marriage and family is a serious issue. While these days some might not consider marriage a life-long commitment, being a parent is. Unless some horrifically tragic scenario occurs, there is NO excuse for being an absent father.

I'm not trying to stop you from going through with this. All I'm asking is that you look deep within yourself and think long and hard about how you feel and I would suggest asking your lover to do the same. Make sure this is something that BOTH of you not only want, but something BOTH of you can do.

When you're immortal, a decision that will last your entire life is going to be pretty damn long.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2013-09-25 03:07:07 UTC
I pray to the Winds that a capsuleer can make an effective father, because I intend to pursue that vocation myself in the mid-term. I have the same problems you mention and the added issue of being tubeborn and never having witnessed parenting in the truest sense. On the other hand, I am aware of the negative impact that parents have made on some of my friends - so perhaps I'm simply getting a clean start.

Good luck with your decision making. I don't agree that a parent needs to be in constant contact with their child in order to make a good father, but I do think you need to make sure you're a part of their lives and keep that connection alive. Don't forget that, as a capsuleer, you may be comitting to much more than a single child, you may be devoting the rest of your VERY long existence to a dynasty.

Also, always remember that your family will be something that others seek to use against you. Keep them secret and keep them safe.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#7 - 2013-09-25 03:48:42 UTC
Family and Capsuleer need to be two very, very separate concepts. For the sake of all involved.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#8 - 2013-09-25 05:33:10 UTC
If I wanted you to do anything for me, even the most humiliating of acts... I'd only have to take your child.

You almost make it too easy and on a very boring day something very tempting to do.

Because I love watching an immortal beg.

You know what is more curious to think over? -What would happen if I gave your child to some dark corner of a station's underbelly that we don't talk about. All the lives us capsuleers walk over as I become the better option for entire corporations than a staff of mortals.

All those people out of a job...

All those people who've had to commit atrocity to survive and probably still have failed to...

All that hate...

'Give them a chance to get back at all our kind has done.

It'd be interesting to say the least.



You wannabe mortals are cute when you don't think.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2013-09-25 06:16:33 UTC
The sad thing is that for all our vaunted immortality, there's still no substitute for leaving behind a legacy.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#10 - 2013-09-25 14:16:50 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The sad thing is that for all our vaunted immortality, there's still no substitute for leaving behind a legacy.


Legacies are written in more than just offspring.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2013-09-25 14:17:23 UTC
Is that what Master told you to think?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#12 - 2013-09-25 14:52:32 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Is that what Master told you to think?


History, more like. Last I checked, Tovil-Toba is remembered for his actions, not for his offspring.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#13 - 2013-09-25 15:17:28 UTC
History includes atrocity. Atrocities await those stupid enough to make public their family for the hate that awaits our kind to exploit.

Someone is going to be remembered for what they do to your children, just remember that.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#14 - 2013-09-25 15:56:33 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
History includes atrocity. Atrocities await those stupid enough to make public their family for the hate that awaits our kind to exploit.

Someone is going to be remembered for what they do to your children, just remember that.


You're such a ray of sunshine, Isis darling.
Lasairiona Raske
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#15 - 2013-09-25 16:05:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lasairiona Raske
I have three children. A daughter and twin boys, all three have capsuleer fathers. Ignore Isis. She seems to be on a doom and gloom trip lately. I'm sure she is the actual threat to children in New Eden.

Anyways, I would be happy to discuss any questions you have. Feel free to message me. :-)

Are you a devil or an angel

Sent here from heaven or from hell?

Sweet temptress, I'm wrapped in your tangles

Can't find my way out of your spell

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2013-09-25 16:09:37 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Is that what Master told you to think?


History, more like. Last I checked, Tovil-Toba is remembered for his actions, not for his offspring.


You win.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2013-09-25 16:10:09 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
History includes atrocity. Atrocities await those stupid enough to make public their family for the hate that awaits our kind to exploit.

Someone is going to be remembered for what they do to your children, just remember that.


That person would be remembered for what I did to them and THEIR family, believe me.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#18 - 2013-09-25 16:21:52 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
History includes atrocity. Atrocities await those stupid enough to make public their family for the hate that awaits our kind to exploit.

Someone is going to be remembered for what they do to your children, just remember that.


That person would be remembered for what I did to them and THEIR family, believe me.


The wonders of cloning technology. Why punish once when you can do it over and over until the lesson actually sinks in?

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2013-09-25 16:32:30 UTC
As Isis points out, everyone has something they care about and most of that is accessible to somebody with the reach of an Empyrean.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-09-25 16:53:20 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:

Someone is going to be remembered for what they do to your children, just remember that.

This is exaggeration.
For example, I hide my family and "my" former name (as a name of person whose memories I inherited), because I know what I (or she) did, and who wants me and why.

As for general population, no one will want to do anything for your children, if you haven't done anything to anyone so wrong that it might happen. The world is full of parents and children, you see. Of course, accidents and maniacs happen, but if you don't provide reason, chance that your children will be hurt are zero to none.

For capsuleers, there is another problem, however. It is not a great secret, that general citizens aren't very fond of capsuleers (hell, even myself would prefer a company of a State citizen to a capsuleer). And this attitude towards capsuleers might, hell, not just might, it will transfer towards his children. We don't care what baseliners think about us, but our children will live among them. I know very well how hard life can be, when there is something not right about your heritage.

I think, that it is cruel for a capsuleer to have children.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

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