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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#81 - 2013-09-25 03:41:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Diomedes Calypso
Dalto Bane wrote:

NPC Corps are outdated, overused, and very much abused by player who are, in fact terrible at Eve. I do not mind the forum alts as much as I mind the in game NPC Corp Alts, and Mains for that matter. The abuse I speak of is the circumvention of War Decs, off-grid boosters, and logistics to name a few. These tactics along with botting carries over to the forums where posting as a main, or alt of an NPC Corp can be viewed as someone who is either- Scared, hiding something, no useful first-hand knowledge of what they speak, or uses decietful tactics to gain an upper hand/risk adverse, etc.


Having alreayd said my bit about hurt feelings and response ( I don't think "brutal" is ever the word as the more rude or direct the more stupid the person taking real issue sound)

onto a point about NPC corps.

This Forum alt has a few thousand posts. I don't hide with it, but use it to speak my mind freely without my odd opinions being associated with the corporations my main has been in.

I"d need to bite my tongue and not express my true feelings beause, well, my corpmates would tolerate me but if they were looking to join an alliance and my PVP-main were saying things the alliance didnt' like I'd be hurting more than myself.

As to IN game.

I prefer to have my characters in player corps but with EVE who, join history and all of that, your scouts will be painfully obvious.. a probable cyno alt can be connected to a PVP corp etc.

So, I'm worried about my trade alts all getting associated with each other and with my pvp main... a lot of information about a character and its associates is few clicks away on your second or third monitor.... looking at who came and went from a corp and where they came and went from/to

Is that Cowardice? or is that Cannyness?

Lots of them I have on one man corps like the Aetolian Armada is only me .. for 3 years and 5 months now. I do that mostly for a corp wallet and the fun of making a little logo and a nice silly egotistical ticker like [EPIC1]

I'm not sure that is any different than an NPC corp.

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Signal11th
#82 - 2013-09-25 08:56:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Personally I'll post anything I like without the need to hide behind a neutral alt if my corp or alliance don't like it well thats too bad. (Hence my signature which holds a tale)

I personally feel that if you are paying or plexing your own account and your scared of what you say because of upsetting someone else whom you've probably not even met in real life well ...just says something about your personality.

It's no different to the trolls/people you find all over the internet/alliances/corps, people who have no balls in real life and because of the supposed "anonminity (spelling?)" of the internet think they can spurge whatever they like without any payback where in real life if they said that in a pub they would get seven bags of sh*t kicked out of them.

Then again even I can't get past the irony of talking about neut posting using a character that i've invented for a computer game or the fact I don't actually give a sh*t what 75% of people write on here anyway.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Anthony Blunt
Appenzeller Kantonal Bank
#83 - 2013-09-25 09:42:56 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:


Hint: No one actually goes after people for posting on the forums.


Really, better tell Kannibal Kane that

"if you're not having fun in a sandbox, it's not the Sands fault" Jenn aSide
flakeys
Doomheim
#84 - 2013-09-25 10:11:33 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
The thing really is OP does it even matter?

Before i was in the CFC and i had an arguement i got the 'where did the bad cfc touch you ' etc . remarks , the 1st day i was in the CFC i got the ' lol you're blue donutboy .

Another example , i joined my current corp 1.5 months ago , the day i joined they where in ROGUE and on the forums and ingame channels whenever i made a remark i got the 'lol your failrogue , abandon your space without fighting , your a coward' while i was only in that corp an hour.The day we joined FCON i got the 'lol your fcon loose a super about it ' remarks . As if being in an Alliance for one day means that you contributed to X or Y Blink .


What i am trying to say is people just look for 'easy responses' when they can't make a decent coherent reply to what you are saying.Since we have a lot of posters from npc corps you generally will see that response the most.But then the same thing can be said about goons because anyone who is in goons , no matter how long , will be viewed as a scammer/jerk/blobber/troll etc .


Speaking for myself i can honestly say that i too have made blunt assumptions about people purely on their corp/Alliance tag and i probably will do so many many times after this post because we are people after all.We just like to generalise everything to make it 'more coherent' in our head instead of taking the effort to look into it a bit closer.

And if we run out of words we still have the 'yeah uhm .. but you're part of X hahhahahha faill' .

Lol


So back to the main question : Does it even matter?Why do you post on the forums?To share/give your opinion and with pressing post you have done so.Some people agree and some don't , some will troll you , some will smack you and some will tell you your avatar is ugly as hell.And most importanrtly : that guy who said that girl on page one had kewl lips for a bj .. spot on my friend , spot on .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Arec Bardwin
#85 - 2013-09-25 10:56:09 UTC
Perceived credibility on an anonymous internet forum about an internet spaceship mmo. Yup, I guess it's serious business after all.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2013-09-25 11:00:14 UTC
It doesn't matter at all. All that matters is what you have to say.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
voetius
Grundrisse
#87 - 2013-09-25 11:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: voetius
Tippia wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...

But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them?

Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance.

It's the EVE version of “put your money where your mouth is”.


While I'm no fan of alt posting (and have suggested before only allowing the highest skillpoint character on an account to post) I can see one reason for NPC corp alt posting - to avoid ad hominem attacks.

Edit: Flakeys has given plenty of examples above of the sort of thing I mean
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2013-09-25 11:15:46 UTC
voetius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...

But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them?

Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance.

It's the EVE version of “put your money where your mouth is”.


While I'm no fan of alt posting (and have suggested before only allowing the highest skillpoint character on an account to post) I can see one reason for NPC corp alt posting - to avoid ad hominem attacks.

Edit: Flakeys has given plenty of examples above of the sort of thing I mean

Being in an NPC corp invites other ad hominem attacks. Such as being in an NPC corp.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#89 - 2013-09-25 13:00:28 UTC
Diomedes Calypso wrote:

This Forum alt has a few thousand posts. I don't hide with it, but use it to speak my mind freely without my odd opinions being associated with the corporations my main has been in.

I"d need to bite my tongue and not express my true feelings beause, well, my corpmates would tolerate me but if they were looking to join an alliance and my PVP-main were saying things the alliance didnt' like I'd be hurting more than myself.

As to IN game.

I prefer to have my characters in player corps but with EVE who, join history and all of that, your scouts will be painfully obvious.. a probable cyno alt can be connected to a PVP corp etc.

[...]

Is that Cowardice? or is that Cannyness?

Lots of them I have on one man corps like the Aetolian Armada is only me .. for 3 years and 5 months now. I do that mostly for a corp wallet and the fun of making a little logo and a nice silly egotistical ticker like [EPIC1]

I'm not sure that is any different than an NPC corp.


I believe posting on the forums hiding between an NPC alt is totally legit. Just your words are pretty void, as you apparently fear that your statements could be wrong, so you don't want anyone to associate your main with your potentially terribly bad statements. Not 'you' as in the quoted person, but 'you' as in the NPC-corp poster.

NPC- or 1-man corp is totally different, looking at in-game. The only reasons one would have a toon in an NPC corp is to be safe from wardes, or to hide your identity or affiliation for scouting/very smallscale pvp-stuff. More would not come to my mind.
A 1-man corp (as most alt-corps) are just a tax shelter or necessary to run POSes, or to use some toons to create a horrible killboard to look pretty engagable.

Again, posting with your NPC-corp-forum alt is laughable when answering questions about everything game-mechanics related, and you're getting rightfully trolled or mocked - as forum alts are against the forum rules (at least it says so), and without any coherent history, the odds of you actually knowing what you're talking about are near 0.
A long tradition of nullbears posting incognito in F&I about how cloaky AFK camping is deading eve is adding to that a lot. The amount of people posting *lol, winmatar OP, cynabal OP* etc. under NPC-flag are also not helping ;)

If you want to post as NPC, sure do, but don't expect anyone at all to take you seriously.

my 113 cents
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#90 - 2013-09-25 13:24:10 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Personally I'll post anything I like without the need to hide behind a neutral alt if my corp or alliance don't like it well thats too bad. (Hence my signature which holds a tale)

I personally feel that if you are paying or plexing your own account and your scared of what you say because of upsetting someone else whom you've probably not even met in real life well ...just says something about your personality.

It's no different to the trolls/people you find all over the internet/alliances/corps, people who have no balls in real life and because of the supposed "anonminity (spelling?)" of the internet think they can spurge whatever they like without any payback where in real life if they said that in a pub they would get seven bags of sh*t kicked out of them.

Then again even I can't get past the irony of talking about neut posting using a character that i've invented for a computer game or the fact I don't actually give a sh*t what 75% of people write on here anyway.

Its not about being ashamed for what you say its about not wanting to deal with the persons bullsheet you say it to.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#91 - 2013-09-25 13:40:08 UTC
I post with my main. I had an alt, but I caught him embezzling from the corp so I booted him. He ragequit shortly thereafter. I try to speak my mind on topics that I actually have an opinion on, on topics I don't, well... I remain silent. If I **** someone off enough with what I have to say that they wardec me, well that's EVE. I've seen Kane wardec people for their forum posts, but to be fair most of those who had that happen to them were um... less than diplomatic in their expression of their opinions on certain matters. In short, while we do have some freedoms in what we say on here, we shouldn't expect to be able to spout whatever we want without having to face the consequences... words are a form of action; you know that whole "pen is mightier than the blaster" thing.
As such I can understand folks discounting what anonymous npc posters say... I'm not saying that their words have any less meaning, but that in hiding their in game identity it kind of takes some of the credibility away from it all.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#92 - 2013-09-25 16:25:13 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Ingame responsibility for their words...

Like what?

You aren't going to wardec anyone regardless of if you like what they post or not.

I have yet to receive any fallout ingame for anything I've posted here, and in fact have been involved some very interesting conversations.


Which proves that the people hiding behind npc corp alts just to post on a forum are being silly. That's the entire point. People want to imagine they are so important that they HAVE to hide their true in-game identity.

In a way, it's a similar thing to how people post that they are elaving, as if the lose of their anywhere from 1 to 20 accounts (lol) is so important that it's going to bankrupt ccp. People who really don't like CCP or EVE just leave quietly lol.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#93 - 2013-09-25 16:32:33 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dirk Decibel wrote:
My main reason for usually posting with a NPC char: freedom to say whatever you want without the risk of it ever coming back to bite you in the behind. Even though chances of that happening are very slim, why take the risk? It's not like I gain anything by posting with my so called 'mains'. Credibility? WTF do I need forum credibility for? Should the need for it ever arise I'll find a way to get it.


As has been said by several people, cowardice. If you can't fully support your own position, why should anyone else? That is why people tend to use posting from NPC alts to attack your position, because you yourself are essentially telling everyone that you don't really believe the stuff your saying.

Hint: No one actually goes after people for posting on the forums.


Exactly.

I have this terrible tendency to imagine I'm conversing with grown men (since no women play EVE) why I type words. I , as an adult, stand behind every word I type and if I decide to one day run for the CSM, i have no fear in putting my real actual name behind those words either. Being honest about who I am and what I'm saying is a show of respect.

This might be a little left field, but I think the reason why the people I tend to argue with (overwhelmingly npc alts) tend to question everyone's motives (you know, the, "you just want me to play your way" people) is because deep down they understand that their own motives are less than pure (evidenced by the hiding behind an alt) and project that onto others. In otherwords, they think everyone is basically as dishonest as they are, which is a common human belief.
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#94 - 2013-09-25 16:55:12 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
voetius wrote:

While I'm no fan of alt posting (and have suggested before only allowing the highest skillpoint character on an account to post) I can see one reason for NPC corp alt posting - to avoid ad hominem attacks.

Edit: Flakeys has given plenty of examples above of the sort of thing I mean

Being in an NPC corp invites other ad hominem attacks. Such as being in an NPC corp.

The real question is whether it does the attacker a favor in saving hours of scouring killboards, attempting to discredit your words? Or deprive him of the enjoyment such an activity provides, provoking an agrevated response?

Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
flakeys
Doomheim
#95 - 2013-09-25 17:19:13 UTC
Georgina Parmala wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
voetius wrote:

While I'm no fan of alt posting (and have suggested before only allowing the highest skillpoint character on an account to post) I can see one reason for NPC corp alt posting - to avoid ad hominem attacks.

Edit: Flakeys has given plenty of examples above of the sort of thing I mean

Being in an NPC corp invites other ad hominem attacks. Such as being in an NPC corp.

The real question is whether it does the attacker a favor in saving hours of scouring killboards, attempting to discredit your words? Or deprive him of the enjoyment such an activity provides, provoking an agrevated response?



This is the eve-o forum , if you think most people do some ''research'' before posting then you're clearly mistaken.This is the ''talk first mayyyyyyyyybe think later'' forum .

See my post above as an example that most people just use assumptions as a general posting habbit instead of research.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#96 - 2013-09-25 17:22:58 UTC
There is no harm at all in hiding behind a forum alt... as long as you understand that whatever you say will be perceived to be an opinion you are not willing to stand behind.

Now if you post with your main, whether you are right or wrong... agreed with or ridiculed... whatever, at least people get the strong impression that they got your straight opinion on the matter and are willing to be associated with that opinion.

I only post on this character because I want you to know that, whether you agree with my opinion or not, I didn't simply troll you.... I told it exactly the way I see it. Nor am I afraid to admit it if you show me there was something to the conversation I hadn't considered.

Obviously all characters (main or not) are a mask of anonymity for the real people that play them... but there you have it.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#97 - 2013-09-25 17:24:49 UTC
Georgina Parmala wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
voetius wrote:

While I'm no fan of alt posting (and have suggested before only allowing the highest skillpoint character on an account to post) I can see one reason for NPC corp alt posting - to avoid ad hominem attacks.

Edit: Flakeys has given plenty of examples above of the sort of thing I mean

Being in an NPC corp invites other ad hominem attacks. Such as being in an NPC corp.

The real question is whether it does the attacker a favor in saving hours of scouring killboards, attempting to discredit your words? Or deprive him of the enjoyment such an activity provides, provoking an agrevated response?

Really? My newbee losses to guristas two years ago, +0.5 sec status aren't very helpful

At least no one will see my shameful structure-shooting-in-a-bomber alt, or my bombing alt, or even worse, my market alt.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#98 - 2013-09-25 17:26:39 UTC
I allways thought that after 60 days in a npc corp you should be given the chioce to either switch to a FW corp of your choosing depending on your current standing or told that you are no longer a member of a corperation and now you can be personally war decced

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2013-09-25 17:28:18 UTC
flakeys wrote:
The thing really is OP does it even matter?

Before i was in the CFC and i had an arguement i got the 'where did the bad cfc touch you ' etc . remarks , the 1st day i was in the CFC i got the ' lol you're blue donutboy .

Another example , i joined my current corp 1.5 months ago , the day i joined they where in ROGUE and on the forums and ingame channels whenever i made a remark i got the 'lol your failrogue , abandon your space without fighting , your a coward' while i was only in that corp an hour.The day we joined FCON i got the 'lol your fcon loose a super about it ' remarks . As if being in an Alliance for one day means that you contributed to X or Y Blink .


What i am trying to say is people just look for 'easy responses' when they can't make a decent coherent reply to what you are saying.Since we have a lot of posters from npc corps you generally will see that response the most.But then the same thing can be said about goons because anyone who is in goons , no matter how long , will be viewed as a scammer/jerk/blobber/troll etc .


Speaking for myself i can honestly say that i too have made blunt assumptions about people purely on their corp/Alliance tag and i probably will do so many many times after this post because we are people after all.We just like to generalise everything to make it 'more coherent' in our head instead of taking the effort to look into it a bit closer.

And if we run out of words we still have the 'yeah uhm .. but you're part of X hahhahahha faill' .

Lol


So back to the main question : Does it even matter?Why do you post on the forums?To share/give your opinion and with pressing post you have done so.Some people agree and some don't , some will troll you , some will smack you and some will tell you your avatar is ugly as hell.And most importanrtly : that guy who said that girl on page one had kewl lips for a bj .. spot on my friend , spot on .



No, it does not matter. This is a thread meant for opinions and open mic discussions about the topic.

In the end it matters not one bit. This is why it is in General Discussion, and this is also for the reason for people to not have to take sides and take Eve so personally as to forget who the hell they really are without having to worry about impressing the masses.

In short, it lets you be brave and stand up for your convictions.

This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#100 - 2013-09-25 17:28:50 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
I allways thought that after 60 days in a npc corp you should be given the chioce to either switch to a FW corp of your choosing depending on your current standing or told that you are no longer a member of a corperation and now you can be personally war decced


The bears soil themselves with rage whenever that is said.