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EVE Central is now dead?

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-09-07 07:13:03 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Would't the cache technically be part of the software? Can the software run without that file? What if you were to prevent the game from even re-creating it after it got cleared?


I'm not sure if the would prove the files are part of the software, but don't know if it matters, you probably not allowed to reverse the software by proxy. If you are asking someone else to do something you agreed not to do, i think that technically is the same as doing it yourself.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Kaladr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2013-09-08 21:25:29 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
Sable Blitzmann wrote:


But again, I stand by my statement that they are within their right to modify the cache without putting it in the patch notes, especially if something came up that required it to be modified to ensure stability (with new items / features / what have you). Since the cache is not an official third party data source, us developers can't expect them to tell us jack squat about changes.

You're right, technically cache scraping is not currently something the EULA allows for. But as we've stated, it's not something we'll enforce.

In this specific case, the fact that cache scrapers broke is a side-effect of a very major engineering change in the EVE code base that's been in the works for a while. I won't get into the specifics other than the fact from our perspective it's great and wonderful. It's a shame it broke some cache scrapers though, as that was not intentional.

If we decide to make away with the cache, then we'll make sure not to create a huge void in it's place. We had this discussion at Fanfest, and I've had this discussion both with other CCPers and with the CSM lately as to how to remove the cache without causing major disruption.

That's not to promise that anything is going to happen. As a security guy, I can't make promises. But I know there's a desire for the cache to be removed, as it's actually decreasing performance rather than increasing it.



I'd like to come out and say:

Cache scraping is a volatile "hack" and its amazing its worked so flawlessly for so long. This last change was absolutely minor (though sanity checks made it stop working across the board as both reverence and libevecache, and in turn derived implementations, checked this).

I welcome a documented and saner method of sourcing data to third party market tools. I don't think anyone wants to travel back to the past and parse kill-mails anymore once the API came about.

Creator of EVE-Central.com, the longest running EVE Market Aggregator
Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
#83 - 2013-09-24 06:25:54 UTC
Bubanni wrote:
:) if CCP made it possible to view markets across all of eve, from whereever you were... we wouldn't need sites like eve-central.com, maybe that's what they should look into, (view market from station, system, region, all of eve)

(not saying we should be able to buy items from anywhere in eve, just view them and their prices)



F'in Young kids these days.

You know what we did? After we walked up hill both ways we actually MANUALLY checked other reagons for all of our products and compiled our own lists of items to trade across regions. This whole eve-central thing is a lot like computer trading of stocks and really should be banned forever!!!!!!
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#84 - 2013-09-24 18:49:09 UTC
Popsikle wrote:
You know what we did? After we walked up hill both ways we actually MANUALLY checked other reagons for all of our products and compiled our own lists of items to trade across regions. This whole eve-central thing is a lot like computer trading of stocks and really should be banned forever!!!!!!


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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#85 - 2013-09-24 19:02:27 UTC
Go away, Jehanne Butler.

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