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Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-09-24 17:47:04 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dirk Decibel wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.

A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.

Ah yes, this is the excuse that is often used to disregard anything a NPC char says, even if it is making perfect sense :P

Who is the absolute arbiter for "perfect sense?" It is relative, an opinion, in this case yours.

If what you say makes perfect sense, why not post it with your main?


There are opinions and facts sir. Facts do not become opinions cause they aren't posted with so called 'mains'.

Also, what makes a 'main'? Can a 'main' not be in a NPC corp?

Furthermore: if you cannot think of any reasons why anyone would be careful about sharing their (ingame) identity in a game like EVE online, well...
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#22 - 2013-09-24 17:48:06 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...

But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them?

Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance.

It's the EVE version of “put your money where your mouth is”.


That's it. But NPC corp player could be an experienced player who is in an alliance but doesn't want people to know who they "really" are. They use npc alts for forum posters to hide from the potential repercussions of their posting. I think it's cowardly when people do that.

what if person is in process of changing his corps/alliances? You deny him in posting here? Big smile


I never said anything about denying privileges, this isn't COAD. I'm mainly talking about the people who aren't just changing corp, but who are hiding behind an NPC corp alt to avoid ingame responsibility for their words.

I post from a char in my corp, and I've personally link some of my alts from time to time like my "pvp main". I don't care if you don't like what I got to say and if you think you want to "come at me bro" in game, well... come at me, bro/.....in game Twisted

Oddly enough, even after all the hate I've gotten from a few forumites, no one has come at me, yet.
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-09-24 17:50:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
[quote=Tippia][quote=Murk Paradox]Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...

I think it's cowardly when people do that.

I'd call it not 'not being an idiot'. Of course, if you care about e-honour much you're going to disagree. That's ok, I love ppl with e-honour! They make great targets for just about everything and tend to produce amusing drama!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#24 - 2013-09-24 17:52:22 UTC
Dirk Decibel wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
[quote=Tippia][quote=Murk Paradox]Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...

I think it's cowardly when people do that.

I'd call it not 'not being an idiot'. Of course, if you care about e-honour much you're going to disagree. That's ok, I love ppl with e-honour! They make great targets for just about everything and tend to produce amusing drama!

Not a matter of E-honor, it's a matter of "you're really so scared of telling people you PRETEND" name?" lol.
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-09-24 17:53:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
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I post from a char in my corp, and I've personally link some of my alts from time to time like my "pvp main". I don't care if you don't like what I got to say and if you think you want to "come at me bro" in game, well... come at me, bro/.....in game Twisted

Oddly enough, even after all the hate I've gotten from a few forumites, no one has come at me, yet.

So even when posting with your main, ppl don't think you're relevant enough to go after you. Blink
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#26 - 2013-09-24 17:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Dirk Decibel wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dirk Decibel wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.

A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.

Ah yes, this is the excuse that is often used to disregard anything a NPC char says, even if it is making perfect sense :P

Who is the absolute arbiter for "perfect sense?" It is relative, an opinion, in this case yours.

If what you say makes perfect sense, why not post it with your main?


[1] There are opinions and facts sir. Facts do not become opinions cause they aren't posted with so called 'mains'.

[2] Also, what makes a 'main'? Can a 'main' not be in a NPC corp?

[3] Furthermore: if you cannot think of any reasons why anyone would be careful about sharing their (ingame) identity in a game like EVE online, well...

[1] Something making "perfect sense" is an opinion, like I said earlier.

[2] If your main has been in an NPC corp your entire career, many people will ignore what you have to say on certain topics, e.g. sov, in which you have no experience. If you need medical advice, who do you ask, a doctor or some hobo off the street? Granted, the hobo may have some experience with needles, but still...

[3] If you lack the courage or conviction in your own posts to "put your money where your mouth is", why should anyone else heed what you say? If you cannot fully support your own position, why should anyone else?
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-09-24 17:55:52 UTC
Ingame responsibility for their words...

Like what?

You aren't going to wardec anyone regardless of if you like what they post or not.

I have yet to receive any fallout ingame for anything I've posted here, and in fact have been involved some very interesting conversations.

This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
PotatoFamine
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-09-24 17:57:04 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoFamine
PotatoOverdose wrote:

[1] Something making "perfect sense" is an opinion, like I said earlier.

[2] If your main has been in an NPC corp your entire career, many people will ignore what you have to say on certain topics, e.g. sov, in whhich you have no experience. If you need medical advice, who do you ask, a doctor or some hobo off the street? Granted, the hobo may have some experience with needles, but still...

[3] If you lack the courage or conviction in your own posts to "put your money where your mouth is", why should anyone else heed what you say? If you cannot fully support your own position, why should anyone else?

Listen to this man, he is absolutely correct and devilishly handsome.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-09-24 17:59:59 UTC
this is my main and I post a lot

nobody has come after me in-game because of something I've posted; the most I've gotten is people recognizing me in local

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-09-24 18:02:18 UTC
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-09-24 18:03:59 UTC
My main reason for usually posting with a NPC char: freedom to say whatever you want without the risk of it ever coming back to bite you in the behind. Even though chances of that happening are very slim, why take the risk? It's not like I gain anything by posting with my so called 'mains'. Credibility? WTF do I need forum credibility for? Should the need for it ever arise I'll find a way to get it.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-09-24 18:07:53 UTC
Another point is why does it matter who is who when you read what they type?

I intentionally resize my window as to not see who posted something simply because I will hold anyone accountable for their words.

Period.

This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-09-24 18:09:54 UTC
i wonder if the ToS changes mean that you're not allowed to impersonate somebody with a clue

if so i have a lot of petitions to make

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Portia Venetia
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-09-24 18:10:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Portia Venetia
Tippia wrote:
Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance.

It's the EVE version of “put your money where your mouth is”.


Alternatively, it suggests they're keenly aware of the "metagame" and are acting accordingly.

I liken it to the classic trope of an intermediary acting on behalf of a shadowy figure in the background. The front man using lines like "my employer sends his regards."

Certainly it's not as straightforward of a conversation, but that doesn't mean there isn't any value in it.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#35 - 2013-09-24 18:10:48 UTC
Dirk Decibel wrote:
My main reason for usually posting with a NPC char: freedom to say whatever you want without the risk of it ever coming back to bite you in the behind. Even though chances of that happening are very slim, why take the risk? It's not like I gain anything by posting with my so called 'mains'. Credibility? WTF do I need forum credibility for? Should the need for it ever arise I'll find a way to get it.


As has been said by several people, cowardice. If you can't fully support your own position, why should anyone else? That is why people tend to use posting from NPC alts to attack your position, because you yourself are essentially telling everyone that you don't really believe the stuff your saying.

Hint: No one actually goes after people for posting on the forums.
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-09-24 18:12:07 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:

[1] Something making "perfect sense" is an opinion, like I said earlier.

[2] If your main has been in an NPC corp your entire career, many people will ignore what you have to say on certain topics, e.g. sov, in which you have no experience. If you need medical advice, who do you ask, a doctor or some hobo off the street? Granted, the hobo may have some experience with needles, but still...

[3] If you lack the courage or conviction in your own posts to "put your money where your mouth is", why should anyone else heed what you say? If you cannot fully support your own position, why should anyone else?


Now why the hell should I care if anyone else heeds what I say? If they are semi sane they will recognize any sound advice or opinion regardless of my (lack of) reputation. If they don't, no skin of my back.

So there really isn't ANY reason to post with so called 'mains' for me personally.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#37 - 2013-09-24 18:15:06 UTC
Well, using an NPC corp alt makes you fall into two categories in my opinion. The first, what you're saying might be taken personally by someone, and therefore you use a npc alt because you're a coward, and are too scared of any possible ramifications in game. Or secondly, you are in fact a noob in an npc corp, and therefore your opinion is almostly certainly invalid due to inexperience.

I'm of the opinion that if you have something to say about something on the forums, especially if it's something you feel strongly about, then you should post with your main. Anyone that hides behind npc alts should expect, and deserve, to have their opinion be considered invalid and uninformed.

Check out my sig below for further instructions.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#38 - 2013-09-24 18:16:50 UTC
Dirk Decibel wrote:


Now why the hell should I care if anyone else heeds what I say? If they are semi sane they will recognize any sound advice or opinion regardless of my (lack of) reputation. If they don't, no skin of my back.

So there really isn't ANY reason to post with so called 'mains' for me personally.

If you don't care what others think of you posting from an npc alt, why are you posting in a thread about people posting from npc alts.

This would be an example of something that does not make sense. What?
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-09-24 18:17:29 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dirk Decibel wrote:
My main reason for usually posting with a NPC char: freedom to say whatever you want without the risk of it ever coming back to bite you in the behind. Even though chances of that happening are very slim, why take the risk? It's not like I gain anything by posting with my so called 'mains'. Credibility? WTF do I need forum credibility for? Should the need for it ever arise I'll find a way to get it.


As has been said by several people, cowardice. If you can't fully support your own position, why should anyone else? That is why people tend to use posting from NPC alts to attack your position, because you yourself are essentially telling everyone that you don't really believe the stuff your saying.

Hint: No one actually goes after people for posting on the forums.

My position is my position regardless of who I post with. Grass doesn't become blue cuz I'm posting with a NPC char. Nor will anyone believe me when I say it's blue with a 'main'.

Of course, using your train of thought I don't really believe that :D .
PotatoFamine
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-09-24 18:19:57 UTC
Dirk Decibel wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dirk Decibel wrote:
My main reason for usually posting with a NPC char: freedom to say whatever you want without the risk of it ever coming back to bite you in the behind. Even though chances of that happening are very slim, why take the risk? It's not like I gain anything by posting with my so called 'mains'. Credibility? WTF do I need forum credibility for? Should the need for it ever arise I'll find a way to get it.


As has been said by several people, cowardice. If you can't fully support your own position, why should anyone else? That is why people tend to use posting from NPC alts to attack your position, because you yourself are essentially telling everyone that you don't really believe the stuff your saying.

Hint: No one actually goes after people for posting on the forums.

My position is my position regardless of who I post with. Grass doesn't become blue cuz I'm posting with a NPC char. Nor will anyone believe me when I say it's blue with a 'main'.

Of course, using your train of thought I don't really believe that :D .


Again, If you don't care what others think of you posting from an npc alt, why are you posting in a thread about people posting from npc alts?