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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-09-24 16:58:30 UTC
Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...

But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them?

I do not get it.

If a goon says "pubbie" (like they aren't the pubbie here anyways or something heh) it's funny how it's meant to be a slight. I mean seriously, a npc corp member has more connection to the eve forums than an offsite member....

Food for thought.

But anyways, back to the point. If I was not in a npc corp (Which I'm not) and you did not like what I said on the forums... what exactly are you going to do about it?

Wardec my corp?

Set a bounty?

Do you honestly think saying "publord" or "npc alt" or "npc corp member" or any version of is going to make any sort of... impact?

Anyways, like I said, it's not a rant or anything, just something that seems so out of place in a game made for alts and subterfuge looks so odd when you poster like you're being cool for calling someone what amounts to be... well, actually more important than yourself (collective "you" to those who call others those names).

It just looks way too much like you see someone insult someone in a language they don't understand. What's the point if they don't understand?

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2013-09-24 17:01:09 UTC
Grrr goons?

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2013-09-24 17:02:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Murk Paradox wrote:
Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...

But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them?

Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance.

It's the EVE version of “put your money where your mouth is”.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-09-24 17:07:54 UTC
It kind of sounds like a 13yo complaining about how life is so difficult.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#5 - 2013-09-24 17:09:53 UTC
A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.

A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-09-24 17:12:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...

But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them?

Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experience what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance.

It's the EVE version of “put your money where your mouth is”.


Sadly, we can't really base people knowledge of the game on thier corp. There are idiots everywhere. I mean look at me. I am not in a NPC corp but that does not mean I really know anything even about running a corp. I only save 11% fixed corp tax.
Solstice Project's Alt
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-09-24 17:14:55 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...

But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them?

Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experience what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance.

It's the EVE version of “put your money where your mouth is”.


Sadly, we can't really base people knowledge of the game on thier corp. There are idiots everywhere. I mean look at me. I am not in a NPC corp but that does not mean I really know anything even about running a corp. I only save 11% fixed corp tax.

Wow, your lips look awesome.
I know a corp you could create, you'd have lots of customers. ^_^

Buy Solstice Project for PLEX4GOOD ! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=301266 (this alt-character will get deleted once the sale is done, on 6th of december)
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-09-24 17:14:57 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.

A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.


Except in world of alts, this is a completely stupid way opf looking at someone's post. The big problem coming from these accusation of NPC corp and other various similar accusation is they attack the avatar of the poster inseatd of his content. It's the easy way to counter a post and yet, it's always used as if it was a legit counter by many people instead of putting facts foward to prove thier own side of the discussion to be better.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#9 - 2013-09-24 17:16:58 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Frostys Virpio wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.

A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.


Except in world of alts, this is a completely stupid way opf looking at someone's post. The big problem coming from these accusation of NPC corp and other various similar accusation is they attack the avatar of the poster inseatd of his content. It's the easy way to counter a post and yet, it's always used as if it was a legit counter by many people instead of putting facts foward to prove thier own side of the discussion to be better.

So post with your main and be judged on the quality of your content. Problem solved.

Everyone has a main, right?
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
#10 - 2013-09-24 17:19:59 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Sadly, we can't really base people knowledge of the game on thier corp. There are idiots everywhere. I mean look at me. I am not in a NPC corp but that does not mean I really know anything even about running a corp. I only save 11% fixed corp tax.

Yeppers ^^. Also, lots of alts of very experienced players live in NPC corps for a variety of reasons.

There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance.
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-09-24 17:23:06 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.

A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.

Ah yes, this is the excuse that is often used to disregard anything a NPC char says, even if it is making perfect sense :P
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#12 - 2013-09-24 17:25:58 UTC
Dirk Decibel wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.

A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.

Ah yes, this is the excuse that is often used to disregard anything a NPC char says, even if it is making perfect sense :P

Who is the absolute arbiter for "perfect sense?" It is relative, an opinion, in this case yours.

If what you say makes perfect sense, why not post it with your main?
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-09-24 17:28:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...

But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them?

Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance.

It's the EVE version of “put your money where your mouth is”.



If we did not currently have such an issue of having alts and claiming who is what... or have a character bazaar... I'd almost be inclined to agree.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-09-24 17:29:49 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
It kind of sounds like a 13yo complaining about how life is so difficult.



Oh no, this is no complaint. I just think it's amusing. I figure its a good way to have a fun thread without people getting truly butthurt.

If I failed in that I apologize you feel so strongly about it, it was not my intent.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-09-24 17:31:21 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.

A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.


Except in world of alts, this is a completely stupid way opf looking at someone's post. The big problem coming from these accusation of NPC corp and other various similar accusation is they attack the avatar of the poster inseatd of his content. It's the easy way to counter a post and yet, it's always used as if it was a legit counter by many people instead of putting facts foward to prove thier own side of the discussion to be better.

So post with your main and be judged on the quality of your content. Problem solved.

Everyone has a main, right?



That's kind of my point.

Every pilot is a main, for the most part. Eve is not built for twink characters. There is no twink alt L7 with all purples in this game.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-09-24 17:32:35 UTC
My other pilot is an industrial pilot. He is not an alt.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#17 - 2013-09-24 17:33:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...

But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them?

Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance.

It's the EVE version of “put your money where your mouth is”.


That's it. But NPC corp player could be an experienced player who is in an alliance but doesn't want people to know who they "really" are. They use npc alts for forum posters to hide from the potential repercussions of their posting. I think it's cowardly when people do that.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#18 - 2013-09-24 17:36:12 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Murk Paradox wrote:



If we did not currently have such an issue of having alts and claiming who is what... or have a character bazaar... I'd almost be inclined to agree.

Getting a character of the bazaar is significantly more involved and happens far less often than creating an npc alt. "Post with your main" is an imperfect system, but it's better than the alternatives.

Why, every single character in this thread from an npc char could be the same person (pator school representatives, I'm looking at you Blink ), talking to themselves, supporting their own arguments since it takes all of one minute to make an npc alt. This of course is true of any avatar, but it requires far more effort to make a character that looks like a "main".
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-09-24 17:37:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...

But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them?

Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance.

It's the EVE version of “put your money where your mouth is”.


That's it. But NPC corp player could be an experienced player who is in an alliance but doesn't want people to know who they "really" are. They use npc alts for forum posters to hide from the potential repercussions of their posting. I think it's cowardly when people do that.

what if person is in process of changing his corps/alliances? You deny him in posting here? Big smile

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
PotatoFamine
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-09-24 17:37:53 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:



If we did not currently have such an issue of having alts and claiming who is what... or have a character bazaar... I'd almost be inclined to agree.

Getting a character of the bazaar is significantly more involved and happens far less often than creating an npc alt. "Post with your main" is an imperfect system, but it's better than the alternatives.

Why, every single character in this thread from an npc char could be the same person (pator school representatives, I'm looking at you Blink ), talking to themselves, supporting their own arguments since it take all of one minute to make an npc alt. This of course is true of any avatar, but it requires far more effort to make a character that looks like a "main".


Case in point.
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