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If you stop to pay close attention, almost everybody asks for changes only when something is of their disliking, and very few people can really ask for changes that improve the game as a whole.

All the sov whine since the start is based on the idea that it is a part of the game entitled to anyone, as a "forceful progression".

I guess it is news to most players that EVE is not a game of streamlined progress. It is not because you was piloting a frigate and now you pilot a destroyer that you "leveled up".

This egocentric idea makes the game what it is, not mechanics. The idea many players have that the game is made to "armies of one person" is what brings the problems most people complain about.

So what makes you an authority on how sov mechanics work or should work then? Perhaps people who are dealing with them every day for year(s) know what they're talking about.

No conflict at all.

Look up what Sovereignity means. No conflict there.

Look up that there is NO REASON AT ALL to imply that a small corp deserve Sovereignity more than Big alliances. There is no reason to say that people have to use the space they conquer. No even in real life it is that way.

The whole premisse is based on the assumption I already said, people take that eve is a streamline progression game, and you have the right to enjoy every aspect of the game. EVE is a universe kind of game, and it is stated loud everywhere, the sandbox style. They have things that arent supposed to be soloable or such. There is really no argument you can make that imply the inherent right for sov to small corps more or equal to big corps.

This flawed assumption that plagues eve community into not evolving. People just stagger in lots of small corps fighting for small things, wanting big things, and blaming the few that understands the principle of the game and seek to create the community in the sense the game always was meant to be.

EVE would be the cream of the crop if you had dozen huge alliances instead of the huge number of alliances compoosed by half dozen corps of three members. That is why all mechanics involving large scale seem flawed, it is because no one cares to build large scale.

Time in service has nothing to do with competence of the subject.

I have had quite a few "Vets" that never left high sec swinging there life time achievement epeen of playing the game for years and not have a clue about the inter workings and the mechanics of Nul let alone Lo-sec.

So, i ask you, how does making a claim that you have actually played the game since 2003, qualify you to point out the things you think are wrong and have the solutions.

The only reason I pose this question is that your approach is that of an expert. But the only shred of any proof is some claim that you actually played this game since 2003. Your argument is not substantive, it is more based on emotional world view of how you see things, and you really do not like it very much when others disagree.

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Added this here, if you haven't read the sticky please read it. Highlighted the parts that seem to be being ignored. Please stop the trolling and derailing and focus on the idea.

I haven't called anyone stupid, I was called stupid. Again this has nothing to do with the proposal so unless you have something to say regarding the idea I'm not really all ears. I'm not interested in your opinion of what or what is not a troll, I don't care if you like soup before bed or think quiet walks on a beach suck. my idea, your comments? Otherwise thank you.

So explain Privateers.

When I first came to Asia I saw people driving and I thought to myself how this people can drive in this way. It is chaotic to say the better.

When I bought my car, I tried to drive like we do in America, that lead inexorably to fender benders to say the better. LOL

I then started to immerse myself in other aspects of the culture of the country, without necessary links with driving itself, and that made me realise why and how people drive the way they do. And I understood how things work.

The argument that you dont need to experience things to know about them always shows up, and always amazes me, because remind myself how many times I fell for its grasp.

Communities have always mechanics that are in place because of the colective ways, despite any effort of one entity to change them. This is one thing devs and players have to have in mind, the game is not property of CCP, the real life vehicles which support it are, and the game is not made by players, the dynamics in which it changes are.

That is the main problem people cant see before they experience things: There are "ghost mechanics" in every game, the mechanics that take place not because devs put it there, but because players will make them so no matter what.

Any change in the sov mechanics is just change in the way things are done, not in the way things ARE, and regardless of how they must be done, they will soon get back to what they are.

As soon as there is no automatic way to do something, there will be a market for people to take care of that. As soon as data is not gathered by automatae, there will be market for people to gather it. And soon things are just the way they were before.

That is what experience makes you understand, and observation added to theory fails to show.

Almost all things "wrong" in eve are wrong because people make them wrong, not because the system is wrong.

So you're arguing for a change in mechanics you have never experienced in order to benefit a group of people you have never, and will never be a part of.

And you think lack of knowledge of the mechanics you are trying to change shouldn't count against you.

The part where I pointed out to you about how ****ing godawful it would be if they took your suggestion to up the reinforce timer to 48 hours, which was your original proposal? Which, when pointed out to you, you even edited.

If you had any clue about this, had any significant experience, or had ever even pretended to hold sov or rent from someone who does, or been in any kind of large scale war, you would never, ever have made that suggestion. That brought your inexperience into sharp relief.

I even told it doesn't disqualify you from speaking on the topic, though. But it sure does when you continue beating your head against it while claiming false credentials by virtue of paying for a sub for a while.

Yeah, I've played on and off since launch too. But I don't pretend to know jack about wormholes, or planetary industry, or capital ships, or T2 manufacturing.