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Penn Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-09-22 13:50:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Penn Koskanaiken
New to this ship and would like some feedback. In EFT the tank says 30k EHP and 390 dps vs Serpentis but in game my shield total says on 1600 total HP.

Forgot to mention I'll be primarily running hi-sec exploration sites and occasionally L4 missions

Thanks in advance


[Ishtar, Main Ishtar]

Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Small 'Arup' Remote Armor Repairer
Drone Link Augmentor II

Pith B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Pith B-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

4x Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II

2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

5x Hobgoblin II
5x Salvage Drone I
5x Caldari Navy Warden
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#2 - 2013-09-22 14:05:27 UTC
You have 30k ehp vs serpentis and 16k ehp omni and shield has approx 1600hp.
EHP stands for effective hp and it doesn't mean x ehp = x shields, it means that for specific damage profile you have specific amount of hp.

You are also way over CPU even with all lvl 5.
Also in-game you will see lower ehp because Eve calculates it according to lowest resist.

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Penn Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-09-22 14:26:26 UTC
There must be something wrong with your EFT because I'm actually flying it right now minus the DC2.

Ok, even though my shields are paper thin at 1600 hp, i'll be able to maintain them while running the booster as long as the dps is below 390. Is that correct?

This is my first foray into active shield tanking I usually fly passive shield tanked ships.
Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-09-22 15:08:46 UTC
I use a sentry setup with Curators, 2 DDA's and 2 Omni's with an armor rep that works quite well. Can hit out to 100k.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#5 - 2013-09-22 15:10:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
1. Change your CCCs to SMCs, in this setup the bigger battery bank serves you better than a little more passive juice regen.
2. It makes more sense (both for cap and tanking) to fit an AB and orbit your drones or a container.
3. Substitute your arup for a solace, or even better fit a cheap centii A-Type repper that will give you a lot more. You can fit 2 of them btw, you have listed only one.
4. The wardens you use are shield drones. For max efficiency when using your remote reppers, go for another drone type. If you wish to stay with wardens, you cannot easily field remote shield boosters due to cpu constraints, but its doable with a little reworking and an AB.

Hope that helps, cheers..C:
Penn Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-09-22 15:50:07 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
1. Change your CCCs to SMCs, in this setup the bigger battery bank serves you better than a little more passive juice regen.
2. It makes more sense (both for cap and tanking) to fit an AB and orbit your drones or a container.
3. Substitute your arup for a solace, or even better fit a cheap centii A-Type repper that will give you a lot more. You can fit 2 of them btw, you have listed only one.
4. The wardens you use are shield drones. For max efficiency when using your remote reppers, go for another drone type. If you wish to stay with wardens, you cannot easily field remote shield boosters due to cpu constraints, but its doable with a little reworking and an AB.

Hope that helps, cheers..C:



Thanks for the advice all.

Bertrand - What would you suggest for drones to replace the Wardens? I'm about 23 days for being able to use T2 sentries.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#7 - 2013-09-22 17:47:15 UTC
Well, the Ishtar does very well with gardes, you might want to use those instead. The range is worse, but tank is not an issue due to AB orbiting and your gardes with 4 DDAs will pretty much melt anything/everything...
Kubla-Kahn
Purple Gang
#8 - 2013-09-22 19:22:42 UTC
Try having a flight of Curators and Gards. The Curators track very well and have better range. The Gards are better DPS.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#9 - 2013-09-23 20:51:43 UTC
Not sure about that Ishtar, but i'll just assume it will run any Serpentis Highsec Anom/Sig with ease.

I can provide you with some first hand expierience on another Gallente ship though, the Ishkur.

[Ishkur, Dora the Explorer]
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Corpii A-Type Thermic Plating
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

150mm Railgun II, Javelin S
150mm Railgun II, Javelin S
150mm Railgun II, Javelin S
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

Hobgoblin II x5



I used it to run exploration in Gallente controlled highsec. It is small, thus has no issues whatsoever with any incoming DPS that is not from Elite Cruisers. There are only some sites out there which actually have enough elite cruisers to put your tank to stress, but once you get transversal it's perfectly fine again. It can scan slightly better than the Ishtar due to it's rig, thus potentially faster results.
It can tank full aggro in a Serp Phi-Outpost while focusing on the Overseer BS. Some heating might be needed to break the tank.

I outperformed other explorers in ships like Proteus and Tengus on a regular basis. The AB may stay Tech 2 if you want. There's also potential for a even more specialised fit where you can get rid of a cap recharger to get that slot for a scanning array, but that requires imps and so on.


Mnemosyne Gloob
#10 - 2013-09-24 00:35:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mnemosyne Gloob
armor tank would allow you to fit more omnidirectionals, thus giving your sentries more tracking (and range). Since you say that you do highsec stuff, i would say try it out. Many frigates/destroyers/cruisers in highsec sites ... i would happily take a fit that actually applies more damage over one that does more on paper damage.

[edit]i would probably put one kinetic and one thermic hardener and a MAR, fill up with DDAs. In med slots put MWD/AB, maybe a SEBO (since you say you are fighting serps - need to test if you actually need it), fill rest with omis. Highslots to your likeing, rigs too (scanning, armor tanking, sentry augmentors)[/edit]
Penn Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-09-24 10:47:03 UTC
Thanks everyone for the excellent advice. I swapped the MWD for an AB and am much happier overall. Even with the HAC bonus to sig bloom I was taking a lot of damage while it was cycling and moving to warden range. It takes a bit longer with the AB but incoming damage is almost 0/

Interesting thoughts about armor tanking and 2 omni's, EFT does show much less DPS but the range is incredible. You say that 2 omnis would actually do more dps than the shield fit with 1? I'm not sure I follow how 2x omnis and 2x dda's would do more damage than 1 omni and 4ddas.
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-09-24 11:34:22 UTC
Recently came back and been using an armor tanked Ishtar for most my missioning/plexxing

Small turret, drone link augment, small shield/armor rr
3x omnis, ab, cap recharger in mid
2x DDA, medium rep, 2x adaptive nano lows
2x nano pump rigs

Gardes inside 80km, bouncers outside, hobgobs for occasional frig that orbits too fast for gardes

Adaptive because it is already over tanked for kin/therm in most cases with native resists and lets you run angel/sansha rats easier without refitting. The omnis will give you amazing applied dps on any target. Can take one adaptive off for more DDA but I didn't notice a real difference in practice when I did.... Did notice almost dying to an angel mission though :D

With only t2 mods it'll do bout any L4 unless you're drunk and/or rainman.

Ran enough L4s to make about 1.5-2bil with the fit, so I know it works.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#13 - 2013-09-24 12:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Nam Dnilb
[Ishtar, Main Ishtar]
Internal Force Field Array I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pith B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Centii A-Type Small Remote Armor Repairer
Small Tractor Beam II
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Federation Navy Garde x5
Garde II x5

Enough tank for any high sec site. Switch to the kin hardener for Guristas. Buy a LG crystal set if you are feeling weak. Missions I would go AB and two hardeners, playing it a bit safer.

Ishtar was always good for PVE, after the recent buff it's hysterical. I was literally bursting into laughter the first time I used it after the buff. It was WRECKING stuff faster than I could lock it. True story. Oh, and I always use gardes for everything.

Shoot, scoop, scoot and so on.