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Large Capacitor Batteries suggestion
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A'Tolkar
Carlson's Raiders
#1 - 2013-09-23 17:31:14 UTC
Currently a Medium Capacitor Battery II:
75 MW
75 tf
420 GJ

Currently a Large Capacitor Battery II:
275 MW
100 tf
700 GJ

Basically I think the capacitor bonus on the Large Capacitor Battery II needs to be buffered. Ignoring the CPU portion of the fitting requirements, a Medium Capacitor Battery II boosts capacitor amount 5.6 GJ / MW at the expense of one midslot. A large Capacitor Battery II only boosts capacitor 2.55 GJ / MW at the expense of the same midslot. That is less than half the efficiency of the medium capacitor battery!

If a Large Capacitor Battery was as efficient GJ/MW as a medium one it would boost cap by 1,540 GJ as opposed to the current 700 GJ. That is a 840 GJ boost. Granted, I am also aware that large capacitor batteries are 25% more effective at countering energy neutralizers and vampires as a medium one.

So my suggestion would be to boost the cap bonus of a large capacitor battery II to 1330 GJ. This is the current 700 GJ + 75% of 840 GJ difference. I offset the 840 GJ difference in efficiency by the same 25% bonus to capacitor integrity (what I call the defense against neuts and nos) that the large capacitor battery has over a medium.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#2 - 2013-09-23 18:43:48 UTC
Without looking at what types of fitting options this opens up, I'll say that the proportions scale better math-wise. The danger is whether this opens up some previously impossible PG setups or not and if so are/would those be considered OP.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2013-09-23 19:07:28 UTC
While it'd be nice to have better ones, they are fine as is.

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ArcticPrism
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-09-23 19:37:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ArcticPrism
They still aren't really worth fitting on things unless oversized. You can just use a single cap booster 800 charge to get the same cap buffer for less fitting cost. Most of the time you will just use cap charger if you want stability because the fitting costs are way too high and they aren't effective if you use Medium on a Cruiser for example.
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-09-24 00:17:07 UTC
A'Tolkar wrote:
Currently a Medium Capacitor Battery II:
75 MW
75 tf
420 GJ

Currently a Large Capacitor Battery II:
275 MW
100 tf
700 GJ

Basically I think the capacitor bonus on the Large Capacitor Battery II needs to be buffered. Ignoring the CPU portion of the fitting requirements, a Medium Capacitor Battery II boosts capacitor amount 5.6 GJ / MW at the expense of one midslot. A large Capacitor Battery II only boosts capacitor 2.55 GJ / MW at the expense of the same midslot. That is less than half the efficiency of the medium capacitor battery!

If a Large Capacitor Battery was as efficient GJ/MW as a medium one it would boost cap by 1,540 GJ as opposed to the current 700 GJ. That is a 840 GJ boost. Granted, I am also aware that large capacitor batteries are 25% more effective at countering energy neutralizers and vampires as a medium one.

So my suggestion would be to boost the cap bonus of a large capacitor battery II to 1330 GJ. This is the current 700 GJ + 75% of 840 GJ difference. I offset the 840 GJ difference in efficiency by the same 25% bonus to capacitor integrity (what I call the defense against neuts and nos) that the large capacitor battery has over a medium.


I support this change!
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#6 - 2013-09-24 05:56:53 UTC
the main advantage of this battery isnt in the amount of cap or the regen. its in the neut resistance bonus, it is far better than the medium battery and it is a good use already. does not need a buff

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Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation
#7 - 2013-09-24 10:36:10 UTC
I support this.
Cade Windstalker
#8 - 2013-09-24 10:49:29 UTC
ArcticPrism wrote:
They still aren't really worth fitting on things unless oversized. You can just use a single cap booster 800 charge to get the same cap buffer for less fitting cost. Most of the time you will just use cap charger if you want stability because the fitting costs are way too high and they aren't effective if you use Medium on a Cruiser for example.


Except that a cap battery also provides neut resistance and bonus regen due to the increased total capacitor.

While you can certainly fit a Medium Cap Booster instead of a Large Cap Battery you're going to end up spending a lot of your time reloading since it can only hold a single Cap Booster 800.

In general I find the OP's logic to be overly simplistic. It's not taking into account all of the relevant factors like how the module interacts with actual ships and their fittings.
I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#9 - 2013-09-24 10:56:02 UTC  |  Edited by: I'm Down
A'Tolkar wrote:
Currently a Medium Capacitor Battery II:
75 MW
75 tf
420 GJ

Currently a Large Capacitor Battery II:
275 MW
100 tf
700 GJ

Basically I think the capacitor bonus on the Large Capacitor Battery II needs to be buffered. Ignoring the CPU portion of the fitting requirements, a Medium Capacitor Battery II boosts capacitor amount 5.6 GJ / MW at the expense of one midslot. A large Capacitor Battery II only boosts capacitor 2.55 GJ / MW at the expense of the same midslot. That is less than half the efficiency of the medium capacitor battery!

If a Large Capacitor Battery was as efficient GJ/MW as a medium one it would boost cap by 1,540 GJ as opposed to the current 700 GJ. That is a 840 GJ boost. Granted, I am also aware that large capacitor batteries are 25% more effective at countering energy neutralizers and vampires as a medium one.

So my suggestion would be to boost the cap bonus of a large capacitor battery II to 1330 GJ. This is the current 700 GJ + 75% of 840 GJ difference. I offset the 840 GJ difference in efficiency by the same 25% bonus to capacitor integrity (what I call the defense against neuts and nos) that the large capacitor battery has over a medium.



When you have a module that adds a flat bonus to base stats, the idea of 700 is not really 700. You are ignoring a big component of what a capacitor battery does:

boost cap recharge rate

in addition to

Boost capacitor amount
reflects nos/neut

Ok, so lets start with the capacitor amount issue:

700 is not really 700.

There are a multitude of ways that 700 is really more than it suggest. The most obvious is the 25% from skills boost to amount. A large battery gains 175 additional capacitor from this skill totally 875 capacitor. By comparison, a medium only gains 105 for a total of 525. That means your net difference on cap just right there is 350... not the original 280 you suggested.

When you look at the capacitor recharge rate, there's also no doubt that the large is going to have more impact.
Then you have to start taking in ancillary effects such as:

Power Diagnostic systems
Rigs
Ship bonuses (this used to be more frequent than it currently is)

When you consider those sorts of things it can play a huge role in just how drastic the effect of a large is over a medium.



That all said, I do believe the CPU req's need to be lowered quite a bit on the batteries. The large should be about 70, the Medium should be about 45. Still really high, but much more reasonable.