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Is this in wormholes only?

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Paige Hinao
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
#1 - 2013-09-24 05:23:56 UTC
Sorry if this is a repost I didn't see another post about it but my corp mates and I have been experiencing a situation where one in ten warps that one or more of our pilots lands exactly 50KM from the rest of the fleet and away from the BM we are trying to land on. I lost a Guardian to warp scram and webs before I could get out and the rest of the fleet were spider tanking Domis which of course made me out of rep range. The frustrating thing is when I bring this to CCPs attention they call me a liar in the most polite sense.
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#2 - 2013-09-24 05:44:07 UTC
Never heard of something like this happen but is it possible it is because you got bumped?
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-09-24 05:51:06 UTC
Never heard of either but Fraps it and next time you can try to analyze the situation or even serve it back to CCP when they doubt you.

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ROSSLINDEN0
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-09-24 05:53:36 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
Never heard of either but Fraps it and next time you can try to analyze the situation or even serve it back to CCP when they doubt you.


CCP don't look at player evidence, i tried to show them a clip of me losing a scimi to a drake which was 2km away from me when my overview said like 75km and they told me to **** off basically
Paige Hinao
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
#5 - 2013-09-24 06:12:07 UTC
This has been happening for a month or more. I wasn't a bump as I now can tell when someone will not land with the fleet because they are showing as 50km during warp ins now. This gives the member a little notice to get out before they get sleeper tackled. We had a Megathron and Dominix drop in 50km off again tonight, fortunately they did not get the initial aggro and I have a Guardian to Remote Rep in case with 71km rep range, just frustrating that there default response is "YOU have to prove to us that it happened." I make plenty of isk to replace it. But we have to find exits and get replacements back in and more importantly to have them question me is a bit of an affront when it costs them literally nothing to reimburse a long time customer with no history of abuse of the reimbursement program. Thanks for the replies and happy hunting.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-09-24 07:31:38 UTC
i saw this happen a few years ago. at the time some corpmate said it was due to the squad leader not having enough leadership skills so a squad warp would do that sometimes but I have zero idea/confidence in that statement so don't hold me to it.

and yeah, confirming CCP wont care even if you provide video evidence. logs show nothing.

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Paige Hinao
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
#7 - 2013-09-24 08:01:43 UTC
Well it happens even on solo warps too. We have documented capacitor levels wondering if that was why but I can confirm that wasn't the factor. We typically have only 6 - 7 people in fleet and our FC has T2 gang assists mods so doubt is leadership skill related, though I hadn't accounted for that and will investigate it. I have "warped to member at 0" and still fell 50 km from target. I have warped to bookmarks of these sites and it has happened. I can't verify if it is wormhole only or if anyone else has had it happen. Ohh well. I know 4 - 5 other people in our wormhole that this has happened too but can't find anyone else that it is happening too. It's scary in wormholes when you land 50 kilos form where you want to be.
Zara Arran
Overload This
#8 - 2013-09-24 08:54:33 UTC
So it only happens 10% of the times? And to different pilots and not just the same few people?

I personally never had this myself, though it's understandably frustrating. Sounds similar to the force field problem some experienced after a patch. Logging in again in the POS kept me outside of the force field, but only sometimes.. and only some others in my corp had this issue. By comparing stories, we found out it was only with T3s, then with trial and error figured it was a subsystem that gave the issue. Try to find similarities to the events and the pilots that it happens to...

- Is it perhaps ship related? only guardians for instance?
- does it happen to the same people and on different chars, or only on that one character?
- does everyone have the "warp to" standard distance to 0 or 50 perhaps? Or perhaps the orbit, or keep at range at a certain distance?

You probably thought of these things yourself as well, but if not it might help. From what I experienced, if you hand CCP evidence of what the exact problem is (so when they can reproduce it).. they will fix the bug. If you can't pinpoint the exact reason/cause, they wont or it will take long... GL and keep us posted!
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-09-24 08:55:42 UTC
We just have seen this morning the same situation! Everybody was free to warp at 0 and one landed at 50 instead of 0. He sweared he warped to 0.

Estonishing because we couldn't really believe him as we haven't seen this before as well, but when I read your post now it seems there is something odd going on in WHs.
Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#10 - 2013-09-24 09:08:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Janeway84
hmm the times i warped somewhere and missed the target, usually the case has been that a bm for a wh was bm'ed by someone from the scanner window and not on grid or there where mobile warp disruption bubbles or Heavy interdictors involved in some way.

If you are making the warp in bookmarks to a site to close to collidable objects and get bumped when landing could cause you to fly off far, but yo usually need to come out of warp before that happens.

edit* Maybe its a new FX CCP playing with to make wh space more random and exciting? Twisted
Nebu Retski
Lead Farmers
#11 - 2013-09-24 09:33:46 UTC
Fluffi Flaffi wrote:
We just have seen this morning the same situation! Everybody was free to warp at 0 and one landed at 50 instead of 0. He sweared he warped to 0.

Estonishing because we couldn't really believe him as we haven't seen this before as well, but when I read your post now it seems there is something odd going on in WHs.

It sounds to me that the problem here is that you made a bookmark about 50k from the warp in location of an anomaly. In such cases you always need to prewarp to the bookmark (just initiate warp, but don't actually warp) after downtime, because for some reason warping to a bookmark after downtime doesn't warp you exactly on top of the BM (regardless of anomaly, sig or WH). In the case that your BM is in an anomaly the first one to warp to it will not land at the BM location, but at the anomaly warp in, unless you did the prewarps to the BMs.

This was always the case and has not changed recently.
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-09-24 09:33:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Fluffi Flaffi
Non of that was the case.

- he warped to a fleet member as far as I know

- we have been hat a safespot, not an anomaly or signature (I'm well aware of the fact, that position of BMs change after DT.

- BMs from scannerwindow put you within 10km approx., not 50km.

- It was defenitely no bump. I saw him coming out of warp.

- No Dictor, Hictor or mobile warp disruptor was involved. Edit: At least not at the destination. He just moved out of a bubble from where he cam from and hit warp to 0. But it would be new to me that this has an effect. On Grid with the destination was no bubble active!
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#13 - 2013-09-24 09:44:01 UTC
I have seen this happen recently. Have no clue why.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#14 - 2013-09-24 09:45:41 UTC
Sure that the person did not have their default warp-to distance set to 50 km and just used that?

I know the effect that first warp to a signature or anomaly after downtime always lands you at zero to the sig, but other than that, I never had wrong ranges on warps.

Just to be sure, when squad-warping anywhere with short-range spider-tankers, I always initiate personal warp first, then abort, then do the squad warp. Just as a routine.

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Felix Weil
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-09-24 09:49:22 UTC
I happen to land x km off when I use that circular menu to warp to something and oversteer the mouse which then activates the "warp to within x km". I'm not even sure if you can use the circular menu on bookmarks but maybe this is a thing.
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-09-24 11:41:35 UTC
After downtime you will land on the deadspace signature if you are the first to initiate warp to it. Even if you warp to a BM inside the deadspace grid.

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Benedict Iscariot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-09-24 11:47:48 UTC
I believe it's a glitch. You need to reset the WARP TO option to be default at 0km. Solves issue.
Malception
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-09-24 14:59:24 UTC
I had an issue similar to this where I had to reset my default warp-to distance to 0km in order to rectify the issue. Just as Benedict said.
Eggs Ackley
#19 - 2013-09-24 17:00:12 UTC
I was warping in at 100km. Even submitted a bug report. Turned out that somehow, when the annoying radial menu popped up I had inadvertently set my warp in to a 100km default.
Infinite Force
#20 - 2013-09-24 17:53:36 UTC
I have had this occur as well - it's very annoying.

While it's not always reproducable, this is how it happens.

I am squad leader.

I warp squad to 0 on a bookmark (previously warp to, etc.. etc..)

All of the squad lands at 0

One member lands 50km away.


No rhyme, no reason.

Ugh!

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