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Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2013-09-24 02:19:47 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
There is actually atleast 4 coalitions right now...

Granted N3 and CFC are the 2 larger ones.

There is still the russians [neostainwagon whatever] it would be a mistake to disregard them.

And then there is ofcource Provi Bloc, but they never get involved in politics that dont involve Providence.


Nobody cares about Provi, hence nobody takes an lingering interest in provi outside of CVA & friends.

Stainwagon mk 2 will be forced to take a side in this, they cant sit idle while a massive sov war is happening on their doorstep, or both sides will simply crush them. If they choose the right side they potentially have a lot to gain, if they choose the wrong side they will be back to hiding in stain for a year or two.

If the CFC takes the offensive they risk stretching themselves too thin. If they are committed to fighting N3 in the south then they wont be able to defend their space or renters in the north. An enterprising independent alliance could easily do a lot of damage if they knew where to hit up north while the CFC was deployed elsewhere.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#122 - 2013-09-24 02:36:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
If the CFC takes the offensive they risk stretching themselves too thin. If they are committed to fighting N3 in the south then they wont be able to defend their space or renters in the north. An enterprising independent alliance could easily do a lot of damage if they knew where to hit up north while the CFC was deployed elsewhere.

Quick, someone tell progodlegend this

Though he's obviously thought of it obviously. Much like Fountain, he just needs someone to get invaded by the CFC

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#123 - 2013-09-24 04:24:20 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:


If the CFC takes the offensive they risk stretching themselves too thin. If they are committed to fighting N3 in the south then they wont be able to defend their space or renters in the north. An enterprising independent alliance could easily do a lot of damage if they knew where to hit up north while the CFC was deployed elsewhere.


As much damage as 401K and BL did during the fountain war by attacking in the north while the CFC was busy deploying in the south?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#124 - 2013-09-24 04:30:29 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:


If the CFC takes the offensive they risk stretching themselves too thin. If they are committed to fighting N3 in the south then they wont be able to defend their space or renters in the north. An enterprising independent alliance could easily do a lot of damage if they knew where to hit up north while the CFC was deployed elsewhere.

As much damage as 401K and BL did during the fountain war by attacking in the north while the CFC was busy deploying in the south?

We did pay BL a gazillion trillion isk...

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#125 - 2013-09-24 04:35:47 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:


If the CFC takes the offensive they risk stretching themselves too thin. If they are committed to fighting N3 in the south then they wont be able to defend their space or renters in the north. An enterprising independent alliance could easily do a lot of damage if they knew where to hit up north while the CFC was deployed elsewhere.

As much damage as 401K and BL did during the fountain war by attacking in the north while the CFC was busy deploying in the south?

We did pay BL a gazillion trillion isk...


A day.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#126 - 2013-09-24 05:10:39 UTC
Well despite the fact we're basically BL's pet, this doesn't help progodlegend since BL is fighting them.

Oh well.

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Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2013-09-24 05:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Garandras
The thing with taking on a group as large as CFC is that you have to fight the war alot diffrently then the traditional means..

If you went in trying to force your way from constilation to constilation you will lose..

what you would have to do is take on a more complex for of gurilla warfare.. hit them from multiple angles, have multiple timers go at the same time, utilise your spy network to determin what they will or wont defend.. the attackers would have to have multiple staging systems, the new JC skill makes this more viable aswell so you could have everyone loged into a dummy staging system.. then all JC to the actual and strike a location that the defenders are just not ready for.

This kind of tatic ofcourse would put a massive finalcial strain on the attackers as it would require more logistical support and basically duplicate/triple fleets spread out around the place... but by the same extension it would force the defenders to adapt simular stratigies.

basically the aim is the spread the defenders too thin to defend their spec effectivly.

It would be a very slow processes at the start, and probally wouldnt see any effective resutls for a while.. but with every victory you will attract more people to your cause..


Ofcourse there is the option of leaving them well alone till they get bored and shoot at eachother then take advantage of the confusion.. And if Null did happen to hit the dredded all blue status that is exactly what would happen within months and the cycle would repeat.


Thanks for you time
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#128 - 2013-09-24 05:23:59 UTC
-A-, the masters of holding sov against the CFC

Maybe you should help N3 in their quest to destroy GSF

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Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2013-09-24 05:28:40 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
-A-, the masters of holding sov against the CFC



Well yeah we did get steam rolled a while back.. no denying that

and it was pretty much a -A- Vs Everyone senerio there...

some good fights were had we lost.. alot of Blue Null was had for a short period then everyone went back to shooting eachother..
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#130 - 2013-09-24 05:42:59 UTC
I'm sure progodlegend is biding his time and making sure their new ex-bob comrades can get along fine with everyone by seeing what happens when they get beaten up by elo knight.

And then they will overwhelm us, the blobbers

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Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2013-09-24 05:49:40 UTC
Well the next question is..

Will they try to ally up all they can to fight CFC, or try and destroy the unalined alliances and recuit from the remains?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#132 - 2013-09-24 05:54:58 UTC
Wait, you're implying you kill an alliance and their people then join you?

Hey, you wanna join the CFC? I'll go to Curse and see if maybe TEST feels like joining us.

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Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2013-09-24 06:02:50 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Wait, you're implying you kill an alliance and their people then join you?


I'm saying yes it does happen..

While you dont get the full alliance.. you approach certain elements of that alliance to now join your cause as their previous one is now lost..

Surely CFC picked up some of the better elements of Test after your victory..

I know -A- did pick up elements of Tribe after their loss in Catch.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#134 - 2013-09-24 06:11:48 UTC
Garandras wrote:
Surely CFC picked up some of the better elements of Test after your victory..

No, Pandemic Legion did? The supercap pilots, the FCs and so on

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Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#135 - 2013-09-24 06:14:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Leigh Akiga
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Garandras wrote:
Surely CFC picked up some of the better elements of Test after your victory..

No, Pandemic Legion did? The supercap pilots, the FCs and so on


Goons got Dingo

PL got inactive super pilots
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#136 - 2013-09-24 06:20:41 UTC
Who is Dingo?

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#137 - 2013-09-24 12:27:37 UTC
Garandras wrote:
The thing with taking on a group as large as CFC is that you have to fight the war alot diffrently then the traditional means..

If you went in trying to force your way from constilation to constilation you will lose..

what you would have to do is take on a more complex for of gurilla warfare.. hit them from multiple angles, have multiple timers go at the same time, utilise your spy network to determin what they will or wont defend.. the attackers would have to have multiple staging systems, the new JC skill makes this more viable aswell so you could have everyone loged into a dummy staging system.. then all JC to the actual and strike a location that the defenders are just not ready for.

This kind of tatic ofcourse would put a massive finalcial strain on the attackers as it would require more logistical support and basically duplicate/triple fleets spread out around the place... but by the same extension it would force the defenders to adapt simular stratigies.

basically the aim is the spread the defenders too thin to defend their spec effectivly.

It would be a very slow processes at the start, and probally wouldnt see any effective resutls for a while.. but with every victory you will attract more people to your cause..


Ofcourse there is the option of leaving them well alone till they get bored and shoot at eachother then take advantage of the confusion.. And if Null did happen to hit the dredded all blue status that is exactly what would happen within months and the cycle would repeat.


Thanks for you time


So your plan is to reinforce a few system in a few different region at a time to amke sure at least some will fall because they can't be bothered to defende everywhere around the universe?

What exactly will stop them from using thier superior number during that long ass tiem it takes you to setup and execute all of this to use thier superior numbers to just reinforce all your systems and put you abck on the defensive unless you accept to lose all for just a few scattered system?
Literally Space Moses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#138 - 2013-09-24 12:36:56 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Garandras wrote:
Surely CFC picked up some of the better elements of Test after your victory..

No, Pandemic Legion did? The supercap pilots, the FCs and so on


Goons got the best FC in Test, and at least two corps from Test after you killed them.

#T2013
Prince Kobol
#139 - 2013-09-24 13:26:45 UTC
Literally Space Moses wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Garandras wrote:
Surely CFC picked up some of the better elements of Test after your victory..

No, Pandemic Legion did? The supercap pilots, the FCs and so on


Goons got the best FC in Test, and at least two corps from Test after you killed them.


It wasn't so much CFC killed TEST, it was more TEST making some dumb ass decisions in the previous 12 months (HBC) and making even more dumb ass decisions during the war.

Think of TEST as somebody going to Dignitas and CFC being the person who hands them their medication.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#140 - 2013-09-24 23:00:47 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Garandras wrote:
The thing with taking on a group as large as CFC is that you have to fight the war alot diffrently then the traditional means..

If you went in trying to force your way from constilation to constilation you will lose..

what you would have to do is take on a more complex for of gurilla warfare.. hit them from multiple angles, have multiple timers go at the same time, utilise your spy network to determin what they will or wont defend.. the attackers would have to have multiple staging systems, the new JC skill makes this more viable aswell so you could have everyone loged into a dummy staging system.. then all JC to the actual and strike a location that the defenders are just not ready for.

This kind of tatic ofcourse would put a massive finalcial strain on the attackers as it would require more logistical support and basically duplicate/triple fleets spread out around the place... but by the same extension it would force the defenders to adapt simular stratigies.

basically the aim is the spread the defenders too thin to defend their spec effectivly.

It would be a very slow processes at the start, and probally wouldnt see any effective resutls for a while.. but with every victory you will attract more people to your cause..


Ofcourse there is the option of leaving them well alone till they get bored and shoot at eachother then take advantage of the confusion.. And if Null did happen to hit the dredded all blue status that is exactly what would happen within months and the cycle would repeat.


Thanks for you time


So your plan is to reinforce a few system in a few different region at a time to amke sure at least some will fall because they can't be bothered to defende everywhere around the universe?

What exactly will stop them from using thier superior number during that long ass tiem it takes you to setup and execute all of this to use thier superior numbers to just reinforce all your systems and put you abck on the defensive unless you accept to lose all for just a few scattered system?

This is pretty much what would happen. Actually, more like shooting sbus and dropping them until one side gets fed up of shooting and dropping sbus.

Unless elite pandemic legion guys are fine with trying to guard sbus from fleets of torp bombers I guess



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