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WH Blobs and BOB's will.

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Cybus Max
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#41 - 2013-09-23 18:35:28 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
@Cybus Max...

We invaded REPO to punish. Not for GFs. Also, when did it become our job to keep people up to date on our welps or incorporate it into our mantras? Go away. You're clearly an idiot and are misinformed.



Thank you for that well written insightful response.

By the way that bob sh** wasn't funny a year ago and it still isn't funny now...
Xtrah
Overload This
#42 - 2013-09-23 18:37:15 UTC
Well I like the thread so far and it's seriousness, but when was the last time you brought a fightable fleet to another major WH alliance's doorstep?

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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#43 - 2013-09-23 18:37:40 UTC
Sandslinger wrote:
You are sorely wrong.


I'm happy to be mistaken.
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#44 - 2013-09-23 18:42:46 UTC
Xtrah wrote:
Well I like the thread so far and it's seriousness, but when was the last time you brought a fightable fleet to another major WH alliance's doorstep?



We took a small T3 fleet with a lone dread into Polarized.'s wormhole, not too long ago. RFed a tower, all while begging for a fight in local. Does that count?
Malception
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-09-23 18:44:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Malception
Fremen, how dare you call me risk averse?! The gall. The nerve. Cold Moon Destruction is suffering from severe risk-phelia. And bad, too. It's reached such a critical state that we roll our wormhole connections with Orcas full of sleeper loot!

In all seriousness, risk aversion is pretty relative. There's always someone more (or less) willing to fight and win or lose (horribly). Don't worry about it though. My butt will stop hurting as soon as I go and cut myself.
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#46 - 2013-09-23 18:45:55 UTC
Malception wrote:

In all seriousness, risk aversion is pretty relative. There's always someone more (or less) willing to fight. Don't worry about it though. My butt will stop hurting as soon as I go and cut myself.


This is actually true. Especially from a monetary point of view.
Walextheone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-09-23 19:00:56 UTC
One of the big problems in w-space is that everyone are using t3s + logis.
There are no real counter to that (except dreds + webs) and the chokepoints that are wormholes negates most other tactics (more or less) the only thing left is NUMBERS.

So you have naturally formed blobs or too much capitals to counter an attacker.

In k-space you can use movement but thats not so easy in w-space
And against boosted scram from Proteii or web from Lokis its even hard to do something constructive with small fleets against bigger ones.
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-09-23 19:05:25 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Bronya Boga wrote:

Words


I'm still confused as to how this takes away targets from anyone else. As for NS, we've dabbled in it even before our growth. Remember HBC?


If you read what I originally wrote you will see I didnt mention anyone else BUT you. Its not all about you dude I couldnt care less what KILL does its your alliance and its your content.

As far as null, well first off again its not all about you (get that ego in check) second if a wormhole corp gets more content out of null then wormholes then you probably are to big for wormholes, that said we do null roams occasionally but most of our kills come from wormholes (September is a bad example as Chitsa has been doing these awesome WSpace vs everyone roams)

But again everyone has their own game and all of this is just my opinion
Xtrah
Overload This
#49 - 2013-09-23 19:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Xtrah
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Xtrah wrote:
Well I like the thread so far and it's seriousness, but when was the last time you brought a fightable fleet to another major WH alliance's doorstep?



We took a small T3 fleet with a lone dread into Polarized.'s wormhole, not too long ago. RFed a tower, all while begging for a fight in local. Does that count?


Polarized. have gradually lowered their numbers and switched their focus more onto nullsec ops lately. zKillboard shows less than half of isk destroyed/lost than the average WH group the last 3 months. I'd say no Pirate (no offence Polarized Smile)

Edit - the average major wh group

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Winthorp
#50 - 2013-09-23 19:50:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Xtrah wrote:
Well I like the thread so far and it's seriousness, but when was the last time you brought a fightable fleet to another major WH alliance's doorstep?



We took a small T3 fleet with a lone dread into Polarized.'s wormhole, not too long ago. RFed a tower, all while begging for a fight in local. Does that count?


Actually no it doesn't really, you can never get a fight with them unless they use an out of corp alt to get a gank on you and then they only ever run away and roll out the chain stopping a further engagement with them. They are well known for only ever engaging on terms and numbers that suit them, they are weak and have been so for some time now.
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#51 - 2013-09-23 21:20:40 UTC
Shots fired.

I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I--THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY

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Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-09-23 22:32:17 UTC
Asayanami Dei wrote:
Shots fired.


Not really my NERF gun doesnt count
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#53 - 2013-09-23 22:46:46 UTC
Bronya Boga wrote:
Wasn't talking about you, gah! Get over yourself.


Lol, we were literally talking about your disappointment with HK joining KILL, specifically. My bad. I must be deluded by that ego of mine.

Anyway, for a podcaster with a fairly big audience (I'm guessing), you're surely narrow-minded. I would have thought you folks would adopt some sort of journalistic integrity somewhere. Guess not. There are plenty of seats on the bandwagon.
Jess Tanner
Bangworks Systems Inc.
#54 - 2013-09-23 22:52:42 UTC
Cheiya wrote:
Jess Tanner wrote:
max ericshaun wrote:
Personally, I'm not a fan of the three day siege of another group's hole. As stated before, it is just not fun. It honestly does just turn in to ganks. I'm not a fan of "fight us or get evicted". Having said that, if the alliance calls for us to help, we go help.

Suicide is the newest and smallest corp in KILL, and you are much more likely to find us nosing around for fights with 10 or less. Chances are, if you come across us, we won't have much for numbers, but we'll likely give you a fight. And we'll happily die to you as our name suggests. Smile



Maybe thats why,
you guys,
didn't show...


We provided as many people as we could and rivaled other corps in their numbers. Just because we don't enjoy something, doesn't mean we don't attend. Come on man..


Sure man, no problem, lets hash it out in alliance chat... wait, Ooo. NVM.

Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-09-23 22:53:32 UTC
Bronya Boga wrote:

That said I have a question for you all. At what point do you say "we have enough members to PVP in Bobs domains" after all the larger wormhole corporations start to roam into null more and more because of this?


I think that all depends on the ambition/goal of your alliance and the class of wormhole you live in.

In lower class systems there is no need to grow massive and blob, and the mechanics of those wormholes helps to enforce small gang behavior. In C5/C6 wormhole we have the complete opposite. The mechanics do little to curb blobbing, which means that anyone wishing to be a big player in wormhole space, has no choice other than to grow.

There is only so much fun to be had from arranged fights at the sun and sooner or later you and your corp will either want to compete with the bigger entities or move out of wormhole space to try something new.

I think a very important question at the moment is - Why don't more people want to live in C6 wormholes?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-09-23 23:03:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Xtrah wrote:
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Xtrah wrote:
Well I like the thread so far and it's seriousness, but when was the last time you brought a fightable fleet to another major WH alliance's doorstep?



We took a small T3 fleet with a lone dread into Polarized.'s wormhole, not too long ago. RFed a tower, all while begging for a fight in local. Does that count?


Polarized. have gradually lowered their numbers and switched their focus more onto nullsec ops lately. zKillboard shows less than half of isk destroyed/lost than the average WH group the last 3 months. I'd say no Pirate (no offence Polarized Smile)

Edit - the average major wh group


I remember the day in question...

We had just moved in to our new home and were busy setting up towers when Kill rolled into us.

We were going to take time out from our busy schedule to fight them but then some of their guys started crapping up local calling people "fagots" and generally acting like the 12 year old cocky pricks you expect to meet on xbox live... So in the end we said **** them and carried on about our business.

So really, they trolled themselves out of what was gearing up to be a big fight. I was ready in my moros and everything Sad

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2013-09-23 23:08:17 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Bronya Boga wrote:
Wasn't talking about you, gah! Get over yourself.


Lol, we were literally talking about your disappointment with HK joining KILL, specifically. My bad. I must be deluded by that ego of mine.

Anyway, for a podcaster with a fairly big audience (I'm guessing), you're surely narrow-minded. I would have thought you folks would adopt some sort of journalistic integrity somewhere. Guess not. There are plenty of seats on the bandwagon.


what bandwagon?
Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#58 - 2013-09-23 23:13:58 UTC
Xtrah wrote:
Well I like the thread so far and it's seriousness, but when was the last time you brought a fightable fleet to another major WH alliance's doorstep?


Well, Hard Knocks alone has brought a fleet to your doorstep on several occasions since we showed you how to dread ball and every time one of two things inevitably happens:

A. 15 man logi fleet with with dps support
B. blue balls rained from the sky.

Official Shit Talking Captain, Bastard of Hard Knocks Inc.
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#59 - 2013-09-23 23:20:47 UTC
this thread got so funny

I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I--THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY

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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#60 - 2013-09-24 00:04:25 UTC
Ok, back on topic!

QT McWhiskers wrote:

As the standard John Q Wormholer, what are your thoughts on this?

Are the large entities who are still left dirty blobbers?

Are we vile trolls who are going to failscade in a few months. (everyone already knows that kill will failscade over a bottle of jack sooner or later)

Would you like to see your group of friends grow to the levels that the larger entities have?

Would you join one of the large entities if you were given the chance or if the group of friends who tie you down to where you are split up?

Or are you content with being the smaller entity you are now?

And for personal opinions about the major entiies and their practices. Do you think our "bring fights or get invaded" rule is BS or do you feel its fair.

Final question is in all honesty, when you roll into a major group that you arent blue to. And you have sufficient numbers on, what are your honest thoughts? Do you turn tail and run, do you hope that they didnt see you, or do you get scouts out there and start doing the numbers game trying to see if you can bring a fight?

I know the other major groups get that same smile that they always get. If you dont know the smile I am talking about, remember the last time you had a hole open up into providence... That smile.

As always whatever you do, do in the name of bob. All glory unto him and blood of the carebears given unto his majesty. He gives us loot and demands blood in return.


I sorry, QT :3