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What Market Information would You like to Have ?
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Vis Aldent
Quafe Art
#1 - 2013-09-19 14:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Vis Aldent
I am in the process of making (designing from analysis) interface with market data to produce market information I will need.

I am also conducting a survey on What Market Information You would like to Have available, hidden, or otherwise processed.

There are loads of market data produced everyday in different regions, systems, and on many factors which haven't been data mined.

I will try to come up with a checklist to choose from, and maybe rank by order of preference, need or other factors related to precedence.

I will leave it at that for now, and publish this new thread as it is without further comment to keep it simple.

I plan to be working on this for the next few months in my off-time as I am busy with other pressing matters. (This alt is paid for 2 more months.)


As for the market information itself, from market data, the format of that information is also important.
It could be available on mobile media and be handled differently while ingame (if from IGB).
(Also no fancy formatting as of this initial first posting time.)
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-09-19 16:23:17 UTC
I understand this request probably wont happen but I always wanted to have a market history that stretches back to the beginning of EVE. Not just one year. For all items of course.

My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.

There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth.
Vis Aldent
Quafe Art
#3 - 2013-09-19 18:06:32 UTC
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
I understand this request probably wont happen but I always wanted to have a market history that stretches back to the beginning of EVE. Not just one year. For all items of course.


Maybe a more general approximation would be more efficient, but the market does and will change.

(I still have to fix my OP.)
Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
#4 - 2013-09-19 19:27:58 UTC
Dependencies or correlations of dependencies of one to another. The ability to group or those newer netwrok style of graphs they use to show social networks. Something like the grapgh on here but related to market items instead of people

https://immersion.media.mit.edu/
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Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-09-20 02:48:27 UTC
I want information on the next item about to spike in price, preferably before it happens and before anyone else knows about it :)
Eliram Kahoudi
Big Fluffy Bunnies
#6 - 2013-09-20 04:30:01 UTC
Andracin wrote:
I want information on the next item about to spike in price, preferably before it happens and before anyone else knows about it :)


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Cavalira
Habemus
#7 - 2013-09-20 17:01:32 UTC
Probably something like 'Profit-margin times traffic' so you'd know where the big isk is moving. Or if possible - A way to figure out how many orders are being updated regularly for each item. Combine those two and you'll always find the killer item to go for.
Vis Aldent
Quafe Art
#8 - 2013-09-23 14:47:47 UTC
Thanks a lot for the replies.

I will try to reply to them individually or try to be doing some work on it.

I am currently downloading a 40 mins + patch.
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#9 - 2013-09-25 12:47:54 UTC
I have send you an ingame mail about this subject. It contains some inside in my day-to-day that I will not publish on a public forum ;).

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#10 - 2013-09-25 13:19:34 UTC
I'd like a graph that shows the geographic distribution of intelligence in EVE.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#11 - 2013-09-25 13:32:39 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
I'd like a graph that shows the geographic distribution of intelligence in EVE.


Here you go!

EvE Online portal | EvE markets tutorials
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#12 - 2013-09-25 13:43:36 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
I'd like a graph that shows the geographic distribution of intelligence in EVE.


Here you go!

Pretty good, but I think it could do with a little more annotation.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#13 - 2013-09-25 14:07:03 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
I'd like a graph that shows the geographic distribution of intelligence in EVE.


Here you go!

Pretty good, but I think it could do with a little more annotation.

Jokes aside, I would love to have such a map showing the actual distribution.

I have no idea what it would actually look like, although I'm fairly confident there would be no "hot spot" in Jita.
Vis Aldent
Quafe Art
#14 - 2013-10-06 02:04:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Vis Aldent
Ok, well, keep the post and survey answers coming.

Thank you!


I didn't have the time to reply before because I couldn't post and was too busy with other obligations.

For some reasons, I lost my wallet data and will try to post a ticket to review what is possible to do with that.

I had spent ingame ISK into PI and all my cost to profit ratio were deleted or removed.

And for in case that I can't answer them to my best or forward the messages for others (to post or communicated)...
They can answer and analyse the survey(s) replies too.


(I just found that I was spending more on completing contracts due to time constraints than just learning or other.)
Tecliso Avelon
Emperor Industries
#15 - 2013-10-07 10:33:52 UTC
I would love to see at what date- time goods are sold - bought.
For example, the 200 drakes are bought around 9:00 Eve time on monday~
100 drakes are sold at 12:00 Eve time on monday~
Basicly it would be a more indepth graph of the current daily volume graph.

Porlby not possible but thats what I wish.
Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#16 - 2013-10-07 14:16:19 UTC
would be nice to pull up "in game" all major hub max buy and min sell per item
Vis Aldent
Quafe Art
#17 - 2013-10-09 18:55:13 UTC
Tecliso Avelon wrote:
I would love to see at what date- time goods are sold - bought.
For example, the 200 drakes are bought around 9:00 Eve time on monday~
100 drakes are sold at 12:00 Eve time on monday~
Basicly it would be a more indepth graph of the current daily volume graph.

Porlby not possible but thats what I wish.


That can be done by extrapolation and deduction.
In other words, you'd have to calculate the 200 drakes purchased and record it in a relevant record.
Then, when the related sale of 100 drakes occurs, compare to the previous purchase (related or not).
You can then draw your own deduction or conclusions.

This could include the data and time of the transactions, the location, or station, and vendor / buyer data.
If the one that buys it sells it back at the related times, you know or can deduce it's the same person.
However, please keep in mind that market record of the sort do not include subsequent transactions.

In other words, product purchasing is not directly related to subsequent sales of the same products...
Those purchase can be used, and maybe never repackaged (insured in case of ships), exchange as gift by station trading, etc.

The only way to keep track of those transaction to calculate the margins (of profit or losses) is to record it yourself for your own items.
Or , possibly , use a third party program that can calculate profit margins.
Mossyblog Barnes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-10-19 04:36:19 UTC
I think trying to predict behaviour in the market is a bit of a fools errand to be had. I suspect a lot of drivers for the existing market(s) are due to the current solutions online that basically encourage hub-spoke buy/sell behaviours. If you then write another app that tries to fix this or game this, you in turn create a new ripple effect in the market and could end up moving the traffic in a different direction.

I've written a personal app that basically tracks frequency of product in specific regions and against my buy/sell prices alongside time it takes for me to re-sell the product's i've acquired.

The high volume cargo space items take obviously much slower turn around but the yield I get back on them is worth the time to move them. I've also found that investing in high volumes of product then moving them into regional hubs works out to be easier on the trade route so by the time I take out of my haulers on my alt its pretty linear jump path.

I have *just* finished writing some code that will also now take a snapshot of my "intent" price in that at the time of pricing the said product the price was at best "XXX.00 ISK" but also by the time I sell it it could have fluctuated in price. Having this knowledge at the time of pickups or determining when a good time is to move the price to the intended sale point has always been a pain for me, as I want to know how much stock I have in my stations at any point in time out of the stock in asset form what's their actual value right now compared to when I bought it (cost price) and what the (intent price).

I'd invest more in trying to handle the logistics of the assets rather than trying to predict the market movements because my behavior science background spidey senses tell me that if you manage human behavior you manage their stock trades.

After all the real stock exchange is based purely on perception and less reality :)
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-01-02 17:08:53 UTC
It finally took me over 3 months to adjust to the cargo type changes of industrial ships.

I made a few millions with it and find it easier to carry Ore or Minerals now.
About twice as fast or as good in fact.

I guess that also doubles the risk of getting killed though.


I want to update the Character Bazaar data so that it is easier to be used to make more profit.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-03-18 16:58:46 UTC
This thread turned out to be one of my best thread.

I should try to improve it to get better results and implement some of the suggestions.
I should at least try to formulate some system design for the implementation of the suggestions.
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