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Rename Navigation skill group
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Kristie Ling
Aksart Inc.
#1 - 2013-09-16 17:20:12 UTC
"Navigation" skill group should be renamed to something like "Engine control" or "Propulsion management" or "Cosmogation".

Why rename?

1. Navigation, in a broader sense, can refer to any skill or study that involves the determination of position and direction. But in Eve's case the only skill that matches this definition is Cynosural field theory (and it's been in Navigation's skill group for less than month :) ). All other skills in this group refer only to "propulsion system" of a spacecraft.

2. This can really reduce the tension in the discussion of russian localization and bring a little more logic to skill grouping. This reason can be viewed as negligible by english-speaking players, but it can lift CCP's reputation to the sky among russians, so there will be a lot less problems whith those... ahem... players Blink
Sahara Wildcat
Wild Amazons EVE
#2 - 2013-09-16 17:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Sahara Wildcat
(Latin navigatio, from Lat. navigo - floating on a ship) in the XX century, with the development of science and technology, the advent of aircraft, spacecraft, there were various meanings of the term. Now, in general terms, the navigation is the process of controlling a specific object in the space of movement.

Consider three of the eleven types of navigation - air, space and sea:
1. Air navigation - applied science of accurate, reliable and safe driving aircraft.
2. Space Navigation - motion control of the spacecraft.
3. Marine Navigation - Section Navigation, navigation studies, developing a theoretical basis and practical techniques of driving the ship.

P.S. And now tell me, has the right to exist the term "navigation" in the form and meaning of which he was in the game or not, not all those listed for the study skills are not fully meet this term!

Sahara Wildcat
Kristie Ling
Aksart Inc.
#3 - 2013-09-16 18:06:01 UTC
Sahara, please - speak russian, you can do it better than speak english. Also, the goal of this renaming is much more than a whim of a newbie. We can really improve relations between old russian community and localization team. Think strategically.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#4 - 2013-09-16 20:28:48 UTC
propulsion systems do make more sense and helps separate it from the navigation skill.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Akvi Raiku
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-09-18 02:06:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Akvi Raiku
Propulsion Control - my variant

and of course, cynosural theory don't match this category, it is more about science.
supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#6 - 2013-09-18 02:12:05 UTC
I already have trouble finding my cyno skill... It's so hard to find things when they change names and sometimes you forget it's been changed and then never find it...

Unless it's really needed, names are fine as they are and ccp should focus on other stuff and I don't think it's really needed
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#7 - 2013-09-18 03:43:03 UTC
Help me understand something here. Isn't there a Russian client that converts what is written into Russian?

If there is such a conversion client I don't see the issue.

If there isn't well damn this game is more borked than even i dared to imagine.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Akvi Raiku
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-09-18 03:58:23 UTC
Let me try to explain somehow.
In Russian client Navigation was translated nearly as Spaceship Driving (Кораблевождение). This is an old navy term, but today it sounds oddly. So the topic was created in hope not to see Кораблевождение anymore.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#9 - 2013-09-18 10:45:12 UTC
No, stop renaming things, we don't need any new changes, things already make perfect sense, changing it now would be change for the sake of change.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Kristie Ling
Aksart Inc.
#10 - 2013-09-18 17:25:02 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
No, stop renaming things, we don't need any new changes, things already make perfect sense, changing it now would be change for the sake of change.


Who's "we" who do not need any changes? Please, define an average member of this entity.

There's a serious assumption, that about 12% of EVE's subscribers (that's russian-speaking players who use localized client) will welcome this change. If you think that their opinion can be neglected - go ahead and create a thread where we can vote for the disband of Team Loc because of its uselessness.
Viejo Melholm
NecroRise Squadron
Galaxy Spiritus
#11 - 2013-09-19 14:22:19 UTC
I think "Navigation" should be split into "Jump Drive Navigation" (cyno. portals, jump drive skills) and "Propulsion/Engines/Whatever".
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-09-19 15:30:44 UTC
Kristie Ling wrote:
Who's "we" who do not need any changes? Please, define an average member of this entity.

There's a serious assumption, that about 12% of EVE's subscribers (that's russian-speaking players who use localized client) will welcome this change. If you think that their opinion can be neglected - go ahead and create a thread where we can vote for the disband of Team Loc because of its uselessness.

I'm completely missing something here - why don't we just fix russian client instead of renaming something for everyone else because something is not right in russian version?

P.S. I myself used the fix that always worked the best for me - I've switched to english client. Russian one is immersive and all... But whatever.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Unkind Omen
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-09-23 06:59:13 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Kristie Ling wrote:
Who's "we" who do not need any changes? Please, define an average member of this entity.

There's a serious assumption, that about 12% of EVE's subscribers (that's russian-speaking players who use localized client) will welcome this change. If you think that their opinion can be neglected - go ahead and create a thread where we can vote for the disband of Team Loc because of its uselessness.

I'm completely missing something here - why don't we just fix russian client instead of renaming something for everyone else because something is not right in russian version?

P.S. I myself used the fix that always worked the best for me - I've switched to english client. Russian one is immersive and all... But whatever.


This comes form the fact that localization team from CCP refuses to reasonably translate this skill blaming the english part for having a bad name in first place.
Akvi Raiku
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-09-23 08:35:33 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3646439#post3646439
ссылка на мой пост в англоязычной теме про перевод.
(link 2 my post in english topic about localization)

суть: навигация должна быть навигацией что в английском, что в русском клиентах.
(message: navigation (skillgroup) should be called navigation both in english and russian client)