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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2013-09-22 20:09:31 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Do we really need to improve on the Ishtar/Dominix with 800 DPS out to 90+km optimal?




Need to work on those skills, with 4 X DDA's you get 850 DPS from garde's on a domi or RS. Don't fly an ishtar so can't say but pretty sure it will be the same.
Ginger Barbarella
#22 - 2013-09-22 20:25:32 UTC
I, too, DEMAND the Easy Button approach for drones! All Sentries, since they don't move at all, should be able to insta-pop player Machs and Navy Ravens without a second thought! They're just too darned weak!

Buff DRONES!!! Buff SENTRIES!!!!

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#23 - 2013-09-23 05:33:48 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Do we really need to improve on the Ishtar/Dominix with 800 DPS out to 90+km optimal?




Need to work on those skills, with 4 X DDA's you get 850 DPS from garde's on a domi or RS. Don't fly an ishtar so can't say but pretty sure it will be the same.


I have full drone skills and I get 800. I don't however have any guns active or any officer modules on EFT by accident.

Note that 800 is an awesome figure, and does not need improving anyway, but lets debate with the real figures.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#24 - 2013-09-23 05:54:21 UTC
You all seem to have left out a very important aspect.

Capital ships.

You can already get a group of heavies to do more dps than a group of fighters since the added the current mods.

Adding faction mods for drone damage would break cap ships.

Not that I'm against more dps from my gank carrier but......... The nerf hammer to follow would suck way worse than the current issues. I don't want to lose the ability to use these mods on my carrier.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-09-23 08:21:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aivo Dresden
Tauranon Weeesearch wrote:
I have full drone skills and I get 800. I don't however have any guns active or any officer modules on EFT by accident.
Note that 800 is an awesome figure, and does not need improving anyway, but lets debate with the real figures.

Seems about right, 800ish what you can get to with drones. If your ship can use another weapon system on top of that though; it's happy times. It should be noted though; that this is with almost perfect skills. We're talking several months of training here.

Ireland VonVicious wrote:
You all seem to have left out a very important aspect.
Capital ships.
You can already get a group of heavies to do more dps than a group of fighters since the added the current mods.
Adding faction mods for drone damage would break cap ships.
Not that I'm against more dps from my gank carrier but......... The nerf hammer to follow would suck way worse than the current issues. I don't want to lose the ability to use these mods on my carrier.

Except that heavies are extremely slow, and fighters actually follow you through warp. For me, heavies do about the same damage as Gardes, with the difference it takes them ages to fly out 50km. I've not seen any data on this, so please if you have it link it here, but I've never seen Ogre IIs outdamage a flight of Einherjs.
BOHC Lotteries
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-09-23 09:25:45 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Tauranon Weeesearch wrote:
I have full drone skills and I get 800. I don't however have any guns active or any officer modules on EFT by accident.
Note that 800 is an awesome figure, and does not need improving anyway, but lets debate with the real figures.

Seems about right, 800ish what you can get to with drones. If your ship can use another weapon system on top of that though; it's happy times. It should be noted though; that this is with almost perfect skills. We're talking several months of training here.

Ireland VonVicious wrote:
You all seem to have left out a very important aspect.
Capital ships.
You can already get a group of heavies to do more dps than a group of fighters since the added the current mods.
Adding faction mods for drone damage would break cap ships.
Not that I'm against more dps from my gank carrier but......... The nerf hammer to follow would suck way worse than the current issues. I don't want to lose the ability to use these mods on my carrier.

Except that heavies are extremely slow, and fighters actually follow you through warp. For me, heavies do about the same damage as Gardes, with the difference it takes them ages to fly out 50km. I've not seen any data on this, so please if you have it link it here, but I've never seen Ogre IIs outdamage a flight of Einherjs.


Basically full gank fit with heavies or sentries nets like 1500 dps on a carrier. Fighters dont benefit from drone mods and top out at 1250 on a thanny.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-09-23 10:26:27 UTC
BOHC Lotteries wrote:
Basically full gank fit with heavies or sentries nets like 1500 dps on a carrier. Fighters dont benefit from drone mods and top out at 1250 on a thanny.


I can't replicate this on EFT at all. A Thanatos as a ship bonus to fighters damage. Even without that, fighter base damage is higher than Heavy drone base damage. There really is no way a Thanatos could ever do more damage with heavies than with fighters.

The max I can possibly get out of a Thanatos, with max skills is 1743 dps with Ogre IIs, while I can get 1875 dps with Einherjis
BOHC Lotteries
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-09-23 10:47:05 UTC  |  Edited by: BOHC Lotteries
The difference is in actuall applied dps. Fighters dont track as well as heavies. Means less dps is actually hitting your target.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-09-23 13:04:25 UTC
I don't really think that 1 exceptional situation which can happen when you specifically fit 1 ship and attack 1 specific target from a certain angle with perfect conditions, should be a reason for not doing something.
stoicfaux
#30 - 2013-09-23 13:15:53 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
I don't really think that 1 exceptional situation which can happen when you specifically fit 1 ship and attack 1 specific target from a certain angle with perfect conditions, should be a reason for not doing something.

*cough* HML/Drake nerf *cough*

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2013-09-24 06:28:32 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Cage Man wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Do we really need to improve on the Ishtar/Dominix with 800 DPS out to 90+km optimal?




Need to work on those skills, with 4 X DDA's you get 850 DPS from garde's on a domi or RS. Don't fly an ishtar so can't say but pretty sure it will be the same.


I have full drone skills and I get 800. I don't however have any guns active or any officer modules on EFT by accident.

Note that 800 is an awesome figure, and does not need improving anyway, but lets debate with the real figures.



you are correct, not sure how I remembered that soooo wrongly.. apologies to stoicfaux
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Forgers United
#32 - 2013-09-24 09:35:52 UTC
I actually agree that drone modules need some love. Some faction/deadspace variants should be introduced.
About officer variants, I think CCP should double check, if they can even drop, as I havent seen most of them in Jita sell history ever, which seems weird.
Mistress Rose
Defensores Fidei
#33 - 2013-09-25 15:51:46 UTC
My assets page says they drop.

Also, I haz a Officer Link Augmentor for sale right now =)

I have yet to see any DDA or ODTL Officer stuffs as yet.
Mortelo Arbosa
Sonoran Sun Legion
#34 - 2013-11-07 17:16:53 UTC
faction drone damage mods need to come in as deadspace drops so it actually means something to run a drone DED complex rather then to recycle it back into the site spawn cycle, in fact all DED drone mods themselves wouldnt be a bad idea either, ability to get something other then a black eagle mod or having to step into officer spawn loot
Markus Blaze
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-11-07 20:59:54 UTC
How to fix drones:
Apply a role bonus of 100% bonus drone damage to the noctis, 10% tracking per-level indy level. Now fit a noctis with 5 tractor beams, lock on to your sentry drones and MWD around while they shoot stuff. Maybe salvage and loot from time to time too.

Note:
This idea was brought to you by not thinking through an idea and then posting it on the forums in hopes to get flamed, trolled and cheered. . . Also alcohol.
Tesoni Daven
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#36 - 2013-11-09 15:25:52 UTC
This seems like... not a good idea. With how powerful drone boats are right now, adding faction DDAs seems kinda nuts.

I could live with deadspace Omnis and DLAs. It's the DDAs that would be the issue.
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-11-09 15:31:25 UTC
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

You use faction modules

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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Alkampfer 1
Chronos Committee.
#38 - 2013-11-10 11:14:00 UTC
Could it be done so that when drone takes more than 75% damage (or variable % depending from user manual setting) it autoreturns to dronebay and another of the same group or type launches and starts repeating the last job the previous one had,be that attacking the target or logistics.
Its only logical since with all the modern AI stuffed in a drone ther would be a selfperservation directive.
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#39 - 2013-11-10 11:53:58 UTC
Definitevely drone could use a good revamp. Why shouldn't they have as many options as turrets and launchers? Aren't they another valid weapon system, with its own pros and cons?
My vote for a drone themed expasion. HUD, mechanics, even their shooting effects are a bit too old. For example, if I right click an aggroed drone on my drones window, so I can click Return to Drone Bay when its shields are about to pop, the right-click window covers the whole drones one, so I can no longer see my drones' HP...
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#40 - 2013-11-10 12:04:13 UTC
Tesoni Daven wrote:
This seems like... not a good idea. With how powerful drone boats are right now, adding faction DDAs seems kinda nuts.

I could live with deadspace Omnis and DLAs. It's the DDAs that would be the issue.


deadspace mods don't currently include applied damage mods for weapon systems. its mostly tanking pieces and prop mods. IMO the Omni is very well specced compared to a tracking computer, and given how much more farmable deadspace is than officer, it would probably be a bad idea.

The only thing I'd say is that drone officers are particularly hard to farm, because afaik (I haven't looked at the map that carefully), there is no broken truesec for drones.
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