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Features based on real cash goals.

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cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#1 - 2013-09-21 22:26:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
One thing that I think would greatly help improve eve online would be a way for CCP to charge money directly for development, similar to kickstarter.

Have a great idea but not the resources to implement the idea?

Why not offer additional updates as a crowd funded feature? Think bonus material. Downloadable as an option to those who fund the development.

For example, lets say you want to design ship interiors for cruisers first and ONLY cruiser hulls.

Offer it up to the community and let us speak with our wallets.

For example:

How much would it cost to design 10 different ship interiors for cruiser hulls? $10,000 dollars? $50,000?

Fine, offer it up to the 500,000 users in the community as a crowd funding option via your website. Even if only 100,000 users pay to see this feature it would cost 50 cents per person!

If the project is fully funded, we get ship interiors in the next release of eve online, if it's not you get to earn interest for 3 months of cash sitting in a savings account.

If it is successfull you can begin to offer additional hulls and really let the community guide development and features and help CCP infuse a monthly cash flow that is not subscription based but feature based. Because lets face it, features can be endless and subscription models are not the best way to make more money.

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cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#2 - 2013-09-21 22:33:43 UTC
I should also point out that these bonus features could be implemented for everyone OR they could be offered up as additional content to those who funded the original features.

So the vanilla version of eve online would remain as it ever was and the beefier version has better graphics, more content, etc etc.

Eve online = same as it ever was.
Eve online X = crowd funded features.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#3 - 2013-09-21 23:02:35 UTC
I don't think CCP is so poor that it needs to crowd source money.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#4 - 2013-09-21 23:05:18 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I don't think CCP is so poor that it needs to crowd source money.


No but they are limited in staffing, and this would provide a way for them to hire additional teams that work on extra/bonus features, while their core team focuses on improving performance and other more technical issues.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.

Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-09-22 00:38:02 UTC
So basically, you want CCP to crowdfund WiS, make it unlockable to the people who paid for it, and then fire any staff they hired to make it happen (since they'd really only be temp workers)? This seems like a bad idea to me. And I'm sure it would cause local programmers to dislike the idea of taking a job at CCP knowing they might lose it in a few months.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#6 - 2013-09-22 02:23:47 UTC
Gigan Amilupar wrote:
So basically, you want CCP to crowdfund WiS, make it unlockable to the people who paid for it, and then fire any staff they hired to make it happen (since they'd really only be temp workers)? This seems like a bad idea to me. And I'm sure it would cause local programmers to dislike the idea of taking a job at CCP knowing they might lose it in a few months.

At last, someone who knows how real world works.

OP is stupid.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#7 - 2013-09-22 05:00:44 UTC
How much to finally fix all the outstanding bugs?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#8 - 2013-09-22 17:12:55 UTC
allowing only people who helepd fund it would limit this to purely aesthetic stufff at best. Otherwise your suggesting content that is only acessible to people who pay real money. which is bad.

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Luc Chastot
#9 - 2013-09-22 17:44:11 UTC
Someone will have to open a collection thread with the dumbest ideas ever to "grace" F&I.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Yolo
Unknown Nation
#10 - 2013-09-23 03:11:51 UTC
Crowd Sourcing would be an interesting way to prioritize things from the suggestions forum.
Like an idea? Don't sign it, sponsor it.

New idea's with big funding, even if they are big projects (like the major POS rework suggested over and over) would be possible. Ideas such as re-scaling items to be more accurate.

However, I strongly oppose any "pay to win" solution, where sponsors get superior items ingame.
A vanity item however would be fine.

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Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-09-23 03:52:55 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I don't think CCP is so poor that it needs to crowd source money.


No but they are limited in staffing, and this would provide a way for them to hire additional teams that work on extra/bonus features, while their core team focuses on improving performance and other more technical issues.


That's not how staff hiring works. Why would I move to Reykjavik when I know the money I am on is a limited pot with no guarantee it'll get filled up again?

I'd be cautious about taking such an unstable job in my home city, let along moving to the opposite side of the planet for it.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#12 - 2013-09-23 04:19:36 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I don't think CCP is so poor that it needs to crowd source money.


No but they are limited in staffing, and this would provide a way for them to hire additional teams that work on extra/bonus features, while their core team focuses on improving performance and other more technical issues.


That's not how staff hiring works. Why would I move to Reykjavik when I know the money I am on is a limited pot with no guarantee it'll get filled up again?

I'd be cautious about taking such an unstable job in my home city, let along moving to the opposite side of the planet for it.


I can think of several projects off the top of my head I would take a 6 month contract in Iceland for. And I'm in New Zealand, so it really is the other side of the world. Knowing that it's a fixed term contract (with possible extension clauses if the job runs overtime etc, & early completion bonuses etc as any good contract has) allows me to plan ahead fairly well, and treat it as a work experience to widen my knowledge & upgrade my skills by learning how another company operates.
So a short term contract is not always a bad thing.

Disclamer; I'm not an expert coder, though I do have experience in small scale MMO world design and some programming experience.
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#13 - 2013-09-23 05:57:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
Gigan Amilupar wrote:
So basically, you want CCP to crowdfund WiS, make it unlockable to the people who paid for it, and then fire any staff they hired to make it happen (since they'd really only be temp workers)? This seems like a bad idea to me. And I'm sure it would cause local programmers to dislike the idea of taking a job at CCP knowing they might lose it in a few months.



What are you talking about? This would be an endless stream for CCP, Star Citizen has already used this model and they reached 19 million in crowd funding. Have you even seen the hanger module? It proves the power of crowd funding and the development of a real product using tier goals.

CCP could use additional talent, no doubt about it, remember the ship design contest? Yeah that.... now imagine how much interest they would have from programmers all over the world who want to work with CCP. Plus they could cherry pick the staff and hire them full time if they proved to create valuable content for the company.

It would also put a fire under the ass of CCP employees to see their competition gunning for the jobs. Everyone would sharpen up very quickly.

Your thinking is just too narrow minded.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.

Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#14 - 2013-09-23 07:09:18 UTC
they do have the resources.

tl;dr drugs are bad.
Malphas Inanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-12-18 03:16:35 UTC
I think the crowd-funding idea has merit, I would like to see a system where they put up ideas like WIS, new ships, server upgrades, null fixes, ect. and allow us to put money directly to those things, not to say that they would not be done anyways but say if CCP needed $500,000 to fully flush out WIS and we raised the money they could hire the people to fix it now, or outsource it or however.

Or maybe they need to upgrade the servers we could help fund that, or do rewrites of old code I would put up some money for that, hell they could even use the money to hire people for these projects or outsource them so that the devs could continue to work on new projects!

they could also do general crowdfunding so we could just donate to CCP and know it would go to EVE, or Dust. allowing us to put money twards a specific game knowing it would be used to better that game!

another thing could be to donate to a specific area of game play say I want to donate to PVE improvements in a general way or I want to put money twards improving Null Sec overall I could send money to the nulll sec improvement fund or the PVE mission fund, or the mining improvement fund ect. the options are endless.

I will point out that any rewards you get for donating should be cosmetic, maybe a title in game, some cool avatar clothes, ect. If you donate a ton of money maybe you get your name mentioned in a mission ( say the mention that an infamous NPC is the brother of Malphas Inanis, or insert name here has asked us to arrange for the death of so and so NPC).

This could be a cool way for CCP to get funding for projects that have been put on the backburner do to lack of money or resources!

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-12-18 04:11:06 UTC
ExookiZ wrote:
allowing only people who helepd fund it would limit this to purely aesthetic stufff at best. Otherwise your suggesting content that is only acessible to people who pay real money. which is bad.

well, planetside content is already only accessible to people who buy a playstation.

just saying.
supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#17 - 2013-12-18 09:39:15 UTC
Put the crowd funding into an investment portfolio and use it to help sustain a few more programmers indefinitely.

In my opinion this would be the only logical way for ccp to use crowd funding in a programming sense.

Its that or buying hardware and software to facilitate the process which I don't really think ccp needs.