Ships & Modules

That would result in longer mission completion times than an RS.

Not a bad setup for very low SP, not really optimal for anything else.

The CNR doesn't need the second painter, due to it's explosion radius bonus. It also has very slightly higher sustained DPS due to not having to reload as often, and because its DPS comes from simply having lots of launchers it's DPS doesn't degrade as fast with imperfect skills. The CNR has a larger drone bay, is faster, more agile, and has a small signature.

That said, the only real differences are found if you fit them to be extremely tanky (SNI is superior) or extremely DPSy (CNR is superior).


Not seeing it. The CNR and SNI both have no 'type' requirement. A Tach NM can beat their DPS inside ~40km, sure, but if we're looking at long range fits, that's not really a great selling point.

Looking at short-range fits, the NM has more reach (Scorch FTW), but short-range DPS is comparable, the torp boats having more theortical DPS, the NH probably having better application to BCs (Frigates and Cruisers, it depends on how the ships are fitted out for tracking, explosion velocity, etc.). Oh, and the NM makes the SNI look quick and agile.

The Nightmare is a cool ship, but it's not superior to the CNR or SNI, merely different. It probably needs a slight buff, actually - pirate battleships should probably bring something other than "well I can use Scorch in a shield boat" to the table compared to the (usually cheaper) Navy battleships.

The RNI does need the second painter. 2 x Faction TPs is optimal for 1 shoting just about everything, Cruiser and under. 1 TP = 2nd salvo needed.

Gotta go with sentry dominix.

I dislike missiles for a lot of reasons. Probably the biggest gripe I have is that no matter how you try to get around it, they suck at dealing with frigates/elite cruisers. With missile boats, you spend a lot of time, skills, mods, and rig slots dealing with small stuff. With turrets/sentries, just hit them at range and they die instantly.

I'm a big Phoon advocate since odyssey. I think that assuming good skills the Typhoon Fleet Issue should be a top contender for best mission ship. Six bonus and a half'd launcher + 125 drones, whether you use the other two slots for bonused artilleries or drone control units for sentries, its gonna be a top pve ganker.

It will never be able to reach the mega tank potential of a deadspace decked out RNI or Golem, but it makes up for that considerably with speed and signature radius. I've been using the following build for level 4s.


[Typhoon Fleet Issue]

Large Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Racial Hardener X2
Ballistic Control System II x2
Capacitor Power Relay II

100mn Afterburner II
pwnage painter x2
Cap Recharger II
Sensor Booster II

Cruise Missile Launcher II x6
Drone Control Unit I x2


Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Bouncer I x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5



My sentry skills are sorely lacking and this still beats the hell out of a Navy Raven, I suspect once I have t2 drones it will be a top runner. It's tempting to use bonused artilleries instead of DLAs but I think that really hurts the potential of this ship, 1 because sentries are practically inviable without increased control range, and 2 because the low targeting range of this ship kind of mandates a sensor booster which synergizes well with a sniping/sentries plan anyway.



As an semi change of subject, why is the Machariel constantly raved about as a mission runner? I can't even believe it would beat a vanilla typhoon or raven, much less the top dogs like Golem or Dominix.

I spent way less on my TFI than my Mach and it was faster (or at least as fast) at all non angel missions. It broke the 20mil per tick barrier for less than 1.5 bil, and I didn't have Caldari Navy BCU's either. Its an absolute beast.

After the 15% shield boost update and the fixed NOS, I am sure you could make one for <1 billion total that's just pimpsauce.



Drone link augmenter and NOS. I like your fit though, I went armor on mine at first too. It was particularly nice at killing Sansha's like that.

The Mach is great at all Angel missions. Nothing beats it in completion time, not even the Vargur. Its also great against Damsel In distress & Gone berserk. I have got 20 mil bounty ticks vs Sansha's with it in "9/10ths of a wormhole". Its better than a vanilla Typhoon or Raven at every mission, really it is. TFI Navy raven, RS, NM and quite a few others are much faster for the non angel missions however. It sucks against Serpentis and Guristas. Its Great against the non tracking disrupting Sansha's missions. Not sure how many there are. I use an Armageddon in Amarr space.

I must commend you on fitting drone control units, I stupidly fit drone link augmentors :p

On a less sarcastic note, that is quite a cheap fit. I wouldn't be able to resist putting a faction (not fed/serp) or deadspace EANM on it.
Also, as this is a mission runner (and Angel has been specifically mentioned, which leads to high Min and Gal standings generally speaking) - I'd run the gallente arc once and get a Black eagle drone augmentor - 1 of those, plus maxed drone range skills gives you an 86km drone control range. I think with that, you can fre up that 2nd slot for a NOS/gun/tractor/remote repair for sentries.

On to the drones: why mix bouncers with hammer/hobs? Why not warriors and valkyries, or garde/wardens and hammer/hobs?

While you skill up to T2 sentry - for a modest 2.5 million per drone, (12.5 million total), you can upgrade to republic fleet bouncers. These have a lot of HP, and you shouldn't be losing them - they have better tracking (better than even T2), and better damage (than T1, not T2). 12.5 mill is worth the extra applied damage, IMO.

Do you really need the capacitor control circuit? I almost always use a PDU II instead, but in this case, I'd be tempted to go for more gank, and use a 3rd BCU instead.



Have you seen the falloff on arty? the bonus works just as well for them.
T2 1400mm arties are actually the cheapest guns to shoot in terms of ISK/hour, only using T2 or faction ammo (cheaper than lasers!).
That bonus allows you to use quake (supposedly close range ammo) and its elevated damage and tracking, against pretty much all enemies in targeting range. - although this works best against angels, for others you may want to switch to faction EMP/Phased Plasma

The mach also has speed on its side, which allows you to minimize traversal. (requires active piloting...)
Oh, and don't forget, the mach can field more drones than a Pest. (if sitting stationary, then you can deploy 4 sentries, and still have a flight of lights)


The Mach hits a lot harder, and can clear a room significantly faster, than a tempest/tempest fleet issue. There's no projectile BS that's even close to it.

If it needs two, counting its hull bonus, the SNI is way inferior, because it will need three or more.

By Winter Marauders will be the kings of BS PVE anyway. So why invest in a Mach/RNI before the inevitable price crash?

THE SNI is inferior. It has the same DPS on paper, but it falls way behind on application. It has a better tank by miles though.