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oOReikaOo Michiko

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 551

#1 - 2013-09-22 15:11:11 UTC

So just some backstory, I played this game on this account in 2006-2007, and instantly fell in love with the hyperion (seriously only because of how it looks).

I got my ship right away because i didnt get any of the core skills like a newb and got blown up. End of story.

Now im back, and I still have a crush on this ship (no im being smart this time and learning the game as much as I can and getting all the boring certs), and I still have a crush on the hyperion.

But.

I hear it sucks? Something to do with rails sucking and armor tanking just bad for PVP and so forth and so forth.

SO I was hoping if someone could break down the pros and cons to hyperion in PVE and PVP, see if its worth getting this time around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY

Blue Canary Watch This 579
Danny John-Peter Blue Canary Watch This Likes received: 579	#2 - 2013-09-22 15:13:16 UTC The Hyperion is amazing now. Active rep fits are a ridiculous powerhouse now, I would refer you to the Failheap thread but it seems to be down right now.

Bertrand Butler

Cras es Noster

Likes received: 344

#3 - 2013-09-22 15:14:13 UTC

Yeah...the Hype sucks.

[Hyperion, Hyperion: 3hype]
Damage Control II
Large Armor Repairer II
Large Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Large Ancillary Armor Repairer

Heavy Capacitor Booster II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Electron Blaster Cannon II
Electron Blaster Cannon II
Electron Blaster Cannon II
Electron Blaster Cannon II
Electron Blaster Cannon II
Electron Blaster Cannon II
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Ogre II
Warrior II
Hornet EC-300


oOReikaOo Michiko The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 551	#4 - 2013-09-22 15:14:30 UTC 1 Oh thats such great news! Thanks! I really always loved this ship http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY

oOReikaOo Michiko

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 551

#5 - 2013-09-22 15:25:54 UTC

Bertrand Butler wrote:

Just curious btw, but what ammo u using on those?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY

Onictus

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 952

#6 - 2013-09-22 15:34:22 UTC

oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:

Bertrand Butler wrote:

Just curious btw, but what ammo u using on those?

Null most of the time, AM if you have them scrammed.

Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 739
Verity Sovereign Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 739	#7 - 2013-09-22 21:10:51 UTC ewww... electron blasters... can you at least fit ions?

Dato Koppla

Spaghetti Militia

Likes received: 939

#8 - 2013-09-22 22:35:56 UTC

Here's a dual rep variant:

[Hyperion, PvP]

Large Armor Repairer II
Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Ion Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I

Ogre II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

With everything heated and using Void + Ogres, you get 1685 dps tank and 1400dps dealt. No implants or boosters required. Has amazing utility in ECM drones, anti frigate drones and heavy neut. Overall pretty amazing.

Lloyd Roses

Artificial Memories

Likes received: 1,356

#9 - 2013-09-23 00:10:13 UTC

oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:

I hear it sucks? Something to do with rails sucking and armor tanking just bad for PVP and so forth and so forth.

The Megathron is just better for largescale fights due to additional low and its tracking bonus, a very small gang is where the pvp-hyperion shines due to it's high-damage, strong tank (generating 200k EHP over a fight is well possible) and utility high/full drones. Because you active tank it (else you'd be using a megathron), it even remains acceptably fast, moving at around 1km/s cold.

Whoever said that stuff about armortanking is bad and should feel bad. It's one of the myths used to justify people flying a drake, but that's over *yay*

Aliastra 1,109
BadAssMcKill Aliastra Likes received: 1,109	#10 - 2013-09-23 00:21:51 UTC Tbh Lloyd if I was gonna passive tank I'd prob also take the hype over the mega, the drone bay and heavy neut are really strong

Aliastra Gallente Federation 153
Josilin du Guesclin Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 153	#11 - 2013-09-23 03:13:50 UTC Lloyd Roses wrote: Whoever said that stuff about armortanking is bad and should feel bad. It's one of the myths used to justify people flying a drake, but that's over yay For small gang PVP it's the other way round, almost. Armour tanked ships have so much more room for all that lovely utility.

Mea Culpa. Shadow Cartel 4,407
Roime Mea Culpa. Shadow Cartel Likes received: 4,407	#12 - 2013-09-23 06:41:30 UTC 1 Well he is in an NPC corp, institutions with the sole purpose of ruining EVE for new players by the combination of terrible advice and horrible ignorance. .

Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 28
Ned Plantagenet Science and Trade Institute Caldari State Likes received: 28	#13 - 2013-09-23 12:40:16 UTC I like the hype as well but a buffer fit hype in a gang with enough logi's would be nice might get few more DPS. And a dual rep with a armor ancillary rep? A t2 large rep with the ancillary rep is good enough for a fleet. Even without logi its good.

Desivo Delta Visseroff

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 292

#14 - 2013-09-23 16:44:30 UTC

Electrons??? Ions???

Here's how to do it right:
1K+ DPS
450+Tank
76,500 EHP
Cap Stable

This ship tears through L4s.

[Hyperion, Cheap Gank Hype]
Damage Control II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Centus B-Type Large Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Stasis Webifier II
100MN Afterburner II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Assault Missile

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Hammerhead II x5
Garde II x3

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]

Goldensaver

Maraque Enterprises

Just let it happen

Likes received: 434

#15 - 2013-09-23 17:07:10 UTC

Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:

Electrons??? Ions???

Here's how to do it right:
1K+ DPS
450+Tank
76,500 EHP
Cap Stable

If you hadn't noticed, each of the other fits that use Electrons and Ions are PvP fits, as can be seen by the full tackle and MWD (AB doesn't give enough speed for PvP). I suggest you notice and understand that before calling out other fits.

Also, cap stability is greatly overrated for PvE. Typically a 3-4 minute cap life is more than enough because you only need to survive until the enemies are gone. Rarely will a mission need you running the repper constantly for longer than that.


oOReikaOo Michiko The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 551	#16 - 2013-09-23 17:12:49 UTC Keep em coming! Im learning so much about hyperion builds its awesome, im already in the process of sticking my ship together! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY

No Vacancies No Vacancies. 284
Kasutra No Vacancies No Vacancies. Likes received: 284	#17 - 2013-09-23 17:12:58 UTC Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote: Electrons??? Ions??? Here's how to do it right: 1K+ DPS 450+Tank 76,500 EHP Cap Stable ... dude, you're spending 3 slots and all your rigs on cap. Your tank is inefficient, and you have not a single tracking or range-enhancing mod. You have EWAR drones, not max gank drones + frig-clearing drones.

Antillie Sa'Kan

Imperial Shipment

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 953

#18 - 2013-09-23 17:14:26 UTC

Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:

And since you didn't bother to fit a point the other guy just warps away.

Desivo Delta Visseroff

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 292

#19 - 2013-09-23 18:09:30 UTC | Edited by: Desivo Delta Visseroff

Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:

And since you didn't bother to fit a point the other guy just warps away.

The OP did ask for both PVP & PVE Fits. This one goes to a PVE set-up. You could sacrifice cap stability if you take the room one NPC class at a time. I like to burn through them, so, I'll just agro the whole room at once. The EC drones are a "panic button" if you're getting overwhelmed & scrammed by elite frigs.

Kasutra wrote:

... dude, you're spending 3 slots and all your rigs on cap. Your tank is inefficient, and you have not a single tracking or range-enhancing mod. You have EWAR drones, not max gank drones + frig-clearing drones.

Sad

Also, You don't need to worry about a tracking mod or range enhancer if you're burning to/away from a webbed NPC. Most frigs fall within the first volley. I used to use a dual rep setup, but one rep & two damage mods work better for me.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]

Cage Man

Fusion Enterprises Ltd

Fraternity.

Likes received: 442

#20 - 2013-09-24 00:35:26 UTC

oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:

Keep em coming! Im learning so much about hyperion builds its awesome, im already in the process of sticking my ship together!

Only minmatar ships are "stuck" together with tape and wingy bits.. the other are all solidly built to precision engineering.
So I think what you meant to say is that you were building you ship Blink

What can I say.. I watched clear skies again this weekend. Completely off topic.... me bad Evil

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