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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#41 - 2013-09-22 05:52:07 UTC
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
selket Shihari wrote:
the first earthquake i experienced was the 9.0 in Japan. that scared the **** out of me...i thought my house was going to collapse
Holy cow, 9.0 O_O

How is that like (and how loud??) and why didn't your house collape ???

9.0 mag is pretty much the top of the scale, so yeah quite loud.

and it didn't collapse because it was probably a very good anti-seismic construction.
mag ?
not richter ?

I have to look that one up.


Same thing.

He is talking about the megathrust event 2 years ago which lasted six minutes. Japan is the one country I would want to be in when an earthquake happens.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-09-22 06:22:25 UTC
We occasionally get them here in the UK too.
Not very often, and not very major, or at least nothing that threatens to knock the china off the dresser.

Last one I remember was a few years ago now, woke me up Shocked
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-09-22 07:47:31 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
We occasionally get them here in the UK too.
Not very often, and not very major, or at least nothing that threatens to knock the china off the dresser.

Last one I remember was a few years ago now, woke me up Shocked


I remember about years ago now when that fuel silo went up. Didnt that cause a 2/3?

I remember it woke me up. And oxford was like 100+ miles from the explosion.

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Solstice Project's Alt
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-09-22 12:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project's Alt
Graygor wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
We occasionally get them here in the UK too.
Not very often, and not very major, or at least nothing that threatens to knock the china off the dresser.

Last one I remember was a few years ago now, woke me up Shocked


I remember about years ago now when that fuel silo went up. Didnt that cause a 2/3?

I remember it woke me up. And oxford was like 100+ miles from the explosion.
Your 61.000th like.

I am seriously impressed by japans technology.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#45 - 2013-09-22 12:41:08 UTC
Fomol620 BrewGuard wrote:


the most terrifying thing for me was the lack of control. you had no warning with no possibility for preparation. and during the event, there is nothing that you can do. at least with a hurricane you know its coming days, or weeks in advance.



Talk to some of the folks who were trapped in their houses for a solid week with Hurricane Carla with no electricity and that 90mph howling wind dominating everything........that's before the months of clean-up start.

I'd rather do an unexpected and quick quake any day.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#46 - 2013-09-22 12:43:26 UTC
Rain6638 wrote:
the noise was the earth beneath you shifting.

sound travels faster through it (dunno about further), so you were hearing things from 20,000 leagues under the sea

about that sine wave, seeing how you're in australia... wouldn't it be somewhat .... inverted



Yes, their paradigm is cosine waves Lol East Coast US quakes would therefore be 'tangential'.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-09-22 12:57:00 UTC
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
Graygor wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
We occasionally get them here in the UK too.
Not very often, and not very major, or at least nothing that threatens to knock the china off the dresser.

Last one I remember was a few years ago now, woke me up Shocked


I remember about years ago now when that fuel silo went up. Didnt that cause a 2/3?

I remember it woke me up. And oxford was like 100+ miles from the explosion.
Your 61.000th like.

I am seriously impressed by japans technology.


The tech doesnt come in cheap though. Makes construction prices 70-80% more than in other developed countries.

But as a long term investment pays off.

9.0 in Sendai and not a single building toppled.

Take out the tsunami and less than 50 earthquake deaths. Mostly old people tripping and falling.

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Kehro Urgus
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-09-22 13:07:22 UTC
I was in northern BC when an 8.0 quake hit the Queen Charlotte Islands (Haida Gwaii) last year or so. I was on the mainland but the ground turned to jello for a few seconds.

Yeeee! 
Solstice Project's Alt
Doomheim
#49 - 2013-09-22 13:52:38 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Rain6638 wrote:
the noise was the earth beneath you shifting.

sound travels faster through it (dunno about further), so you were hearing things from 20,000 leagues under the sea

about that sine wave, seeing how you're in australia... wouldn't it be somewhat .... inverted



Yes, their paradigm is cosine waves Lol East Coast US quakes would therefore be 'tangential'.
btw ...
it's Austria, not Australia.

Also, why cosine and not sine ?



Graygor wrote:


The tech doesnt come in cheap though. Makes construction prices 70-80% more than in other developed countries.

But as a long term investment pays off.

9.0 in Sendai and not a single building toppled.

Take out the tsunami and less than 50 earthquake deaths. Mostly old people tripping and falling.
This is incredible !

... and makes me wonder, why they haven't thought of tsunamis earlier. ^_^

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#50 - 2013-09-22 14:05:25 UTC
Graygor wrote:


The tech doesnt come in cheap though. Makes construction prices 70-80% more than in other developed countries.



Yuppers. That's what makes San Francisco problematic when this is compounded with the already 'expensive beyond belief' real estate.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-09-22 14:06:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Graygor
Well thats the nub of the question.

The tsunami that hit the Fukushima Minamisoma / Iwaki area would have swamped any tsunami defence in the world, since it was measuring in places 20m - 30m + and moving at an incredible speed. The concrete barriers were just obliterated.

Had TODEN built Fukushima Daiichi according to the original plans which said 15m higher and about 100m more inland, this might have been averted. However according to the TV the original plans were drawn up in the late 50s / early 60s and all but 1 of the original engineers are now dead. He himself said that this was raised but the managers at TODEN at the time (Who would now be in their 110s) took a "if anything happens ill be long dead" view.

In which they were quite correct tbh.

That said though, for all the negative rep. The rads in fukushima (outside the exclusion zone of course )are identical to tokyo which are the same as they were before the quake. If you're worried about radiation poisoning, Nevada and New Mexico are far more dangerous due to the atomic bomb tests apparently. Hell, even long haul flights give you a greater dose of rads than staying in fukushima.

And the japanese government cant lie about that data as NASA and the ESA have satellites that monitor ground radiation, dont have the link saved but its out there on the net.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#52 - 2013-09-22 14:07:02 UTC
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:


Also, why cosine and not sine ?




I don't know. It was just a word-play joke.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#53 - 2013-09-22 14:10:33 UTC
Graygor wrote:


That said though, for all the negative rep. The rads in fukushima are identical to tokyo which are the same as they were before the quake. If you're worried about radiation poisoning, Nevada and New Mexico are far more dangerous apparently due to the atomic bomb tests apparently.


The fact that almost 3/4 of the cast of the John Wayne film "The Conqueror", filmed out there, was dead from cancer within 5 years is proof enough. Almost all the rest within 20. Took John Wayne himself out from cancer in 1976. The on-set photos of him and the crew laughing at a Geiger Counter is eerie.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-09-22 14:12:34 UTC
It was filmed in an atomic test site?

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#55 - 2013-09-22 14:29:23 UTC
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:

... and makes me wonder, why they haven't thought of tsunamis earlier. ^_^


They had, although, the problem is, the historically largest earthquake there was 8.2 so they planned accordingly.

Japan has some fairly srs bsns stuff when it comes to earthquakes....when the first p-wave is picked up by the seismographs, all things like power stations etc begin to be powered down, elevators stop at the next available floor to let people out, and the TVs come on, even if on sleep mode, with an earthquake warning.

These 20-30 seconds that the warnings give make all the difference....the actual damage waves dont arrive til the Love and Rayleigh waves hit, which are later than the p-waves,. and so the time allows for the things like reactors to be begun to shut down.

If that 9.0 had hit anywhere else (say, oh, I dont know, California, or one of the Western US states in the San Andreas fault area with a nuclear power station), the story would be completely different.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#56 - 2013-09-22 14:56:29 UTC
Graygor wrote:
It was filmed in an atomic test site?



Yuppers, and not long after either.

"Reportedly, Howard Hughes felt guilty about his decisions regarding the film's production,[4] particularly over the decision to film at a hazardous site. (See Cancer controversy below.)

"He bought every print of the film for $12 million and kept it from view until 1974 when it was first broadcast on TV.[5] The Conqueror, along with Ice Station Zebra,[6] is said to be one of the films Hughes watched endlessly during his last years.

"The exterior scenes were shot on location near St. George, Utah, 137 miles (220 km) downwind of the United States government's Nevada National Security Site. In 1953, extensive above-ground nuclear weapons testing occurred at the test site, as part of Operation Upshot-Knothole.

"The cast and crew spent many difficult weeks on location, and in addition Hughes later shipped 60 tons of dirt back to Hollywood in order to match the Utah terrain and lend verisimilitude to studio re-shoots.[4] The filmmakers knew about the nuclear tests[4] but the federal government reassured residents that the tests caused no hazard to public health."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_%28film%29#Cancer_controversy

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-09-22 15:41:12 UTC
The lack of massive lawsuits amaze me.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#58 - 2013-09-22 15:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Graygor wrote:
The lack of massive lawsuits amaze me.



Yeah, that's the US back in the day. What the government said back then was Gospel, therefore there was no dangerous radiation, and therefore no possible lawsuits.

edit: I think Gina Lollobrigida is the only cast member to emerge unscathed. She's still kickin' it.

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Solstice Project's Alt
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-09-22 16:45:16 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
She's still kickin' it.
This amuses me ...

She's at the Opernball, which is in Vienna, where i live. ^_^

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#60 - 2013-09-22 17:21:51 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:

... and makes me wonder, why they haven't thought of tsunamis earlier. ^_^


They had, although, the problem is, the historically largest earthquake there was 8.2 so they planned accordingly.

Japan has some fairly srs bsns stuff when it comes to earthquakes....when the first p-wave is picked up by the seismographs, all things like power stations etc begin to be powered down, elevators stop at the next available floor to let people out, and the TVs come on, even if on sleep mode, with an earthquake warning.

These 20-30 seconds that the warnings give make all the difference....the actual damage waves dont arrive til the Love and Rayleigh waves hit, which are later than the p-waves,. and so the time allows for the things like reactors to be begun to shut down.

If that 9.0 had hit anywhere else (say, oh, I dont know, California, or one of the Western US states in the San Andreas fault area with a nuclear power station), the story would be completely different.



The defences would have held in most places. The problem was nobody expected the entire east coast to sink 3 to 5 meters. This left the defences too low and were over topped.