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What kind of player interaction are we talking about here? Because, what we're doing right now, talking, is player interaction.
Player interaction is also trading, buying, co-op play in mining, missions, pvp and doesn't necessarily demand you to shoot first and ask questions later to "interact with other players". You have a choice of how you'll interact with someone. Or if you'll interact with them at all.

Personally, I'm not bothered by cloaky afk campers. There's 50 systems in Providence that I can do my industrial stuff in and all of them won't be camped at the same time and even if they were, I can find other stuff to do.

Just because I live in Carebear HQ, doesn't mean I won't sit into a combat ship and defend my home system when it's necessary.

At the very least, AFK cloaky camping is.. unimaginative. And people say mining is boring. Hah. Sittign in one system hoping someone will be stupid or ignorant or complacent.. so you can take advantage of that. It's something I wouldn't do even if I got paid for it.

Another nerf Hi Sec thread, surprise surprise. Makes me wonder about the OP and his skills at ganking. In many of the belts I mine in, I frequently see many AFK miners where it wouldnt matter if a ganker shows up red in local and on the overview, their ship is gonna keep on mining (or just sitting there in space because the last rock went pop). Its pure laziness if a ganker cant find a nice easy target.

You are missing the context, which was the pilot in question being in sov null sec.

High sec has little to no value using local as intel, unless you are under a war dec.

Im going to come right out and say I greatly support adding a delay to local, or at least something that actually gives hunters a chance to catch the prey. It's common knowledge that null-sec (in a lot of areas at least) is more safe than high sec simply because of the local channel, and this shouldn't be.

Having said that, a 2 minute delay is kinda insane. Even 30 seconds is on the long end. That essentially means that for people who are good with dscan you can jump in, warp and have point before the nullbears even know you're there. A 15-30 second delay is most likely a better window. Or tie it in with sov upgrades - it starts at 30 seconds and can get down to 15 seconds with a fully upgraded system.

This would also mean that more ratters and miners would die in nullsec, which is how it should be. But because of that, there should be more incentive to be out there. We need to keep in mind the risk vs. reward aspect of the game as well. The easiest solution to this that I can see is giving bigger bounties on rats in null specifically and shifting more ore/ice, or have more of the rarer stuff out there. (This is hypothetical, I've never mined so that could be way off base).

The other benefit of this change is the nerfing of AFK cloaking via the buffing of roaming. Nobody likes it when theres an AFK cloaker in system, and frankly it's much more fun to not have to AFK cloak until people get sick of waiting, which sometimes is never.

In the end, a hunter being proficient with dscan should counteract in some small part all the intel channels and in-system support that the prey often has. The prey has all the tools and more that the hunter has, and this means that somebody who is very very good can catch PvE'rs, and on the flip side PvE'ers who are paying attention can still always get out safely.

That's absurd. In an NPC corp highsec long as you aren't blinged out and know how to fit a tank is you can travel AFK & 'bear whenever the fancy takes you with very little risk. See how far that gets you in null.

Right, same as gankers in highsec. Being gankable any time even in you're doing every right will make 'bearing in null a whole crapload less attractive. Without major buffs that will never happen it wouldn't be worth the risk at all.

I never suggested any of that, I agree they need to screw up or be pretty unlucky (scrambled by rats for instance).

Seriously Nikk, do you actually play EvE to do player vs player, or just spend all your time championing an unpopular idea and doing forum pvp with anyone who happens to actually play the game and disagree with you.

How many years have you been asking for local to be removed on the forums, and how many more years before you give up and realize that local is never going to be removed because:

A. It's been in the game unchanged since day one.
B. CCP have already made space without local intel, that being W-space.
C. Removing or nerfing local intel in any way would reduce the player base of EvE, a commercially stupid idea

Stop trolling and actually play the game, you never know, you might actually make some friends that way.

I question why local works the way it does. In highsec particularly I don't think it provides any significant benefit to have your name show up instantly. It makes things like wardecs hard to perform because the enemy knows when you're in system.

Removing the intel part of local would make some fairly sweeping changes to the game but I extremely doubt that any mechanic was derived from its function.

Not to diegress to much but the question really becomes how safe should null sec be for PVErs ? Should it require a camp on pipes or an functioning intel chat to be safe? Should it be where the moment somebody jumps in system you can identify character corp and standing of the new person in system?


I have been in null sec with various corps and alliance and the only time i have ever been caught in a ratting ship has been when i'm moving from system to system and didn't bother to scout it.

I imagine to most null sec site runners and miners the question is why would they want site running to be more difficult? In other words "whats in it for me?" I think with a local change you would have more lazy people exploding and as such you would be able to reward the ratters and miners that ratted and mined better with more isk.