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Drones Assist Mechanic Question/Thought
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#41 - 2013-09-20 21:03:40 UTC
The bigger the alliance, the greater the meta weapon (forums) effectiveness.

Somebody got beaten somewhere.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#42 - 2013-09-20 21:03:47 UTC
It's not OP/broken until you are alphaing carriers with sub-caps: Link
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-09-20 21:09:15 UTC
I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh.

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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-09-20 21:15:11 UTC
Revman Zim wrote:

Now, I will say that if someone with some smarts, moved a SBing BS into the ball of sentries, they would have wiped our entire DPS off the field. But that is too "hard".

The last time I was in a battleship on the pointy end of 300 sentry drones it went like this:

00:00 Hey I got bombed, my shields are gone
00:45 **** I'm getting shot 40% armor le
00:49 Kaboom
00:50 Get the pod out!

Forgive me if I don't agree with your smrt idea of "just move A smartbombing battleship in". And to further counter your point, a SMA will allow you to refit drones from cargo to drone bay inside the bubble and simply dump another lot on the other side of the POS. Furthermore, you imply you were dumb enough to stack them all in one place rather than distribute the drones around the POS to protect them from bombing runs.

Also, this was brought up weeks before the incident you are referring to, so your insight is marginally useful.

And thanks for pointing out how not-broken it is for a fleet to apply full damage out to 200+ km, while effectively invulnerable inside a POS shield.

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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-09-20 21:17:33 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh.

I think you mean fighters, I don't see a reason for mining drones to be usable while inside a POS bubble.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-09-20 21:27:07 UTC
Georgina Parmala wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh.

I think you mean fighters, I don't see a reason for mining drones to be usable while inside a POS bubble.



Hmm?

Explain.

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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-09-20 21:30:59 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Georgina Parmala wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh.

I think you mean fighters, I don't see a reason for mining drones to be usable while inside a POS bubble.



Hmm?

Explain.

Carriers have to stick out of a POS bubble to use fighters. Links can't be turned on inside a POS with the exception of Mining links, which still work.

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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-09-20 21:33:42 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
> Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas
> Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps
> Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game

Is CFC.


People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself.

I like how you are implying the drone assist will cause CCP to lose money.


Nope. My point was that for line members flying drone assist doctrines is incredibly boring and they will just stop showing up for fleets.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2013-09-20 21:47:40 UTC
Georgina Parmala wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Georgina Parmala wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
I think it's funny it was done in defense and is being heralded as "bad" although I suppose it should follow the same rules as OGBs eh.

I think you mean fighters, I don't see a reason for mining drones to be usable while inside a POS bubble.



Hmm?

Explain.

Carriers have to stick out of a POS bubble to use fighters. Links can't be turned on inside a POS with the exception of Mining links, which still work.



Uh, yess.... that is what brought on my comment. I do not understand where you thought I implied mining though.

(Falcon deemed using drones as assist from within a pos an exploit)

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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-09-20 21:58:30 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
I do not understand where you thought I implied mining though.

I didn't. It was a tongue in cheek comment pointing out how you used OGB as a baseline, which explicitly makes exceptions for the mining variety.

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Prince Kobol
#51 - 2013-09-20 22:02:58 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
> Brings hundreds of T1 damp Celestis to fleet fights to support 1000 snipe alpha Megas
> Is upset when enemy changes to drone assist to counter all the damps
> Demands CCP removes drone assist mechanic from the game

Is CFC.


People forced to x up for drone assist fleets will get bored and stop logging in long before CCP actually does anything to the mechanic itself.


I way ahead of you :)

I hate drone fleets with a passion, so much so that I point blank refuse to go on them.

I would rather fly my logi alt, at least I will have something to other other than warp to target, assist drones , surf the net until everything is dead or I am..
Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-09-20 22:23:40 UTC
Elite PVP coalition arguing what little individual pilot input there is in large fleet fights should be stripped out.

Goons arguing for higher skillcap PVP and more pilot involvement.

It's bizzaro EVE.

They think for some magic reason we can't use drone assist. It's not like supers guys, it doesn't take billions of isk and putting a high SP character in a space coffin to jump on the bandwagon.
Five Finger Army
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-09-20 22:30:07 UTC
It's kinda useless anyway unless there's a drag to fleet, fleet jump and fleet launch drone button for the FC.

I'd gladly leave my accounts logged on 23.5/7 and make them available to all of the above as long as I just don't have to participate in the mindless herds nullsec fights are made of.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2013-09-20 22:35:14 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
I way ahead of you :)

I hate drone fleets with a passion, so much so that I point blank refuse to go on them.

I would rather fly my logi alt, at least I will have something to other other than warp to target, assist drones , surf the net until everything is dead or I am..



Well there you go. When people are willing to fly logis before drone assist doctrine ships we don't really need to say anything else on the matter.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#55 - 2013-09-20 22:50:05 UTC
Doris Dents wrote:
Elite PVP coalition arguing what little individual pilot input there is in large fleet fights should be stripped out.

Goons arguing for higher skillcap PVP and more pilot involvement.

It's bizzaro EVE.

They think for some magic reason we can't use drone assist. It's not like supers guys, it doesn't take billions of isk and putting a high SP character in a space coffin to jump on the bandwagon.

Seriously?

A good number of us have gallente battleship trained, and sentry drones... we're blobbers, we can make a bigger blob, is anyone surprised at all bythe revelation that we blob?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#56 - 2013-09-20 22:50:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Seriously, where is our drone assist doctrine, I thought we were getting one, now I'm a little jealous.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-09-20 22:56:53 UTC
You can assist your drones to me any day.

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#58 - 2013-09-20 22:58:02 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Bomb and/or smartbomb = all sentry drones dead, no?

Can't help but think there might be more important problems to fix, y'know like POS's themselves.
Like the planned modular POS's. That wouldn't have this problem. Because no forcefields and all that.

But no, who wants to fix the underlying problem, amirite?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#59 - 2013-09-20 23:00:23 UTC
Time to file a complaint form FK.U under section 4: Jealous of others' fleet doctrines

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-09-20 23:22:53 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Bomb and/or smartbomb = all sentry drones dead, no?

Can't help but think there might me more important problems to fix, y'know like POS's themselves.
Like the planned modular POS's. That wouldn't have this problem. Because no forcefields and all that.

But no, who wants to fix the underlying problem, amirite?

They can also just ungroup guns, free fire on all the sentries and then smile on the defanged drone ships. But, that would require something beyond bashing the F1 key with their chubby fingers.