EVE General Discussion

It is. Not everybody is camping Aunenen around the clock, so you might want to broaden your mind a bit.

Do people not use D-Scan anymore? Outside of troll ECM fits, you should be able to identify the ECM ship, and choose to not engange... is this not a thing anymore?

Yes, the FoF missiles (shows in EFT dps brought down with 1/3...tech I only?), back-up in a low slot + racial sensor booster in mid slot...but fitting those will leave you no (combat)cruiser anymore. In fact there is no solution against ECM for solo flyers/fighters like me. We easily go in combats 1 vs 3 or even more, we do know that we will loose, but we do not care loosing ships as long we get some fun out of it.
This thread is about the question why ECM should be so ridiculous overwelming, ridiculous powerful without any nuances? A solo flyer/fighter is NOT EVEN LEFT THE USE OF HIS ENERGY NEUTRALIZER AS A DEFENCE(????)....ECM blocks all since it overpowers yr sensors. And why is this? When did they even begin to implement and overpowering ECM in EVE historically? And why was that done, since this kind of ECM takes away so many joy and fun aspects of the great possibilities EVE presents us a great SciFi experience! So, why demotivate new players with such kind of "freaky"ECM BLOPS? ECM in such an overpowering way is so ridiculous, so unrealistic and honoustly one could not even serious regard it as sound SciFi. And forget about the counter ECM measures: those all fail...since they brought in the ECM but obviously the failed to give the ships the extra slots needed to make fittings for some proper defences (I read evrything about it incl. EVE UNI, read forum posting dealing with it, tried all kinds of fittings in EFT...consulting researching fitting in Battleclinis etc. etc......prper defece does simply not exist, except for altering your (battle) cruiser in some non-combat defence vessel, but whio wants that? Nobody of course).

Isn't it enough for low sec and 0-sec players to just outnumber a single flyer with 1 vs 3 (or more) in a fight (the solo flyer/fighter going in bravely - realize, he even on purpose willingly searched for those fights! - and not even bothering with any losses of ships since as long as he gets some fun out of the fights, isk no problem, ships he has unlimited)...seems 1 vs 3 situations (cruisers or battle cruisers) seems not to be enough for those...they also first want to totally "cripple down Mike Tyson from afar with ECM, freeze him, so Danny DeVito could get his second easy win in the boxing Arena?

I myself all the time fight 1 vs 3 (or more) in low sec...and of course I know from the start that I will lose a 100% sure, of course, but so what, those fights still presented some good entertainment to me! ...so..I gladly bring in a next ship...and next an so on. BUT: when in such fights 1 vs 3 people go bringing in overpowered ECM from afar with bonussed ships and many ECM drones crippling me fully down beginning of the fight, well, that would fully take away the fun of fighting at all. And recently I see become it worser and worser, more and more ECM used...the word is out...and this would no doubt chase away all (except for the gangs) out of low-sec and 0-sec. So, the present ridiculous overpowered ECM does not benefit the fun for either pirates or solo flyers/fighters...since low sec + 0-sec would soon become very quiet and boring for us all (incl. the gangs). Do we not all want to prevent this from happening? So, get rid of the ridiculous overpowered ECM, give the players back their fun and entertainment! (my opinion).

Have to point out that this ECM issue is of real important general meaning (= not about me alone, since I am just one person only, I am jus addressing it).

I read the comments, and it strikes me to see only 1 genuine other solo flyer/fighter posting: Gun Dulf posting # 21)...then I ask myself: where are all the others? Are there any others? In real life there must be at least over 100.000 persons just like me, not scared to loose ships in a great SciFi game as EVE is(!)...isk no problem...as long as they get some fun out of lost fights....no problem. But, obviously, I do not see those people like-minded in EVE, yet. Lose a (combat) cruiser..well get another, try something else, go in again...and again...and again...graphics are great, sounds are great, and as long you get some fun out of lost fights in return. However problem is that the ridiculous ECM power takes away the fun, solo flyers/fighters being totally frozen down.

My point: why not seriously TWEAK the ridiculous overpowered ECM in time and make EVE again attractive for the very many persons waiting on the side-lines wanting to fly/fight solo in low ses and 0sec for enjoyment and fun? This would also provide far more entertaining for the gang facing far more players for fights(?!)

And do not forget: this thread is meant to be of a positive constructive nature, to discuss and possibly reach improvements for all (i.e. this is not about one kind of players against another kind, low-se players vs high-sec...no, see it far bigger: it is meant to benefit the EVE community, thus all players involved...keep that in mind and try to be objective and constructive while posting your comments).

+#1, no one said use ECCM, back up arrays AND FoF missiles. Either or is fine.

#2. This poster is a perfect example of the type of player I talk about a lot: he's not interested in wrking around the problem, he wants the powers that be (CCP) to fix a problem that the game already provides answers for (ie ECCM, back up arrays, FoF missiles, drones, friends, etc ).

Plse do visit Battle-clinic and check out good load-outs: it is a challenge fiing good load-outs even without losing 1x mid slot + 1x low slot to ECM defence...and if so, yr defence would not match those of attacking bonussed ECM-ships operating from afar (50-100kms or more)....I am stating nothing real new here...just checkn it out, when youm have the time.

All about balanced tweaking here: why not give the nenergy neutralizer back to the defender, as a start. The defender is going to loose anyway, he knows it, but give some defence, some fun!

And, second consideration JennAside: what will you post as comments when people go starting threads like: low-sec and 0-sec get very, very quiet, can we do something about it"...yhreads like that...will pop up in time...for sure...originated by the gangs themselves..

Would it not be a good effort to avoid that from happening?

Buy more accounts and ECM back lol

I quite often scoop up frozen corpses in space, but I have never had the luck to find a frozen ship.

Mr Epeen

So ECM turns off your prop mods and prevents you from moving. Please, tell me more.


And yet you died to the measly DPS of a single frigate as per your original post.

Honestly, I think you're just bad.

I'm betting a Falcon was involved.


if more people used FOF there would be Tech 2 FOF. But no. People would rather complain instead.

Yeah I know, everybody's gonna go tackle-frig hunting in drakes with high-speed launchers if we had T2 FOF and it would be OP and the same people inclined to be flaming the OP (for the wrong reasons) will be in here crying instead.