EVE General Discussion

Only 1 wish - PUT IT ON PC!

I won't buy a console just to play a single game. Plus, I can't stand the control schemes of console controllers. No game is worth the expense and pain of buying a console.

Will join the chorus of PC. Just throw it down on Steam, wait for sale, make millions.

I'm with the "make a PC port"

However, I don't see that happening so:

1. Don't try to compete with other FPS's.
2. It needs to be unique. I'm thinking this should be something where mercs should be able to assist the corporations they work for in some way. Their work should assist us, be it the ability to harvest more resources or something. Usually when you hire someone IRL you do it so that it benefits you, and I need a reason to keep mercs hired.
3. This needs to be an MMO 1st, FPS second. There needs to be a value for the merc to log in and do some solo "grind" of some fashion where he's able to interact with my corporation in space and provide me a benefit.

Think: Skyrim but in the future where they have professions, skills to learn/train and resources to gather.

The problem is, CCP has already shot into their own foot with PI, I don't think it is wise choice to link another game to an already failed aspect of the game.

No one I talked likes PI, it is just something people do to fuel their towers, or at least earn a few ISK sideways, nothing less but certainly nothing more. The entire mechanic is boring and tedious and in lowsec it will head into the same direction as lowsec mining and become extinct.

So aside from a few 0.0 wars and there were not too many sovereignity changes lately, there will be nothing to fight for. The highsec PI users will stop if taxes become to high, lowsec will be already dead by the time dust is released and in 0.0 only a handful of planets will probably change owners during a week, so not much to fight over in Dust.

Probably one of the stupidest things CCP could do is put it solely on PS3.
All EVE players have a PC, and many probably don't own any consoles.
Not putting it on the PC means you won't get nearly as many people buying it as you would if you had - and you have to compete with popular PS3 games, which have many years of development ahead of you. The main problem being that the only thing you have as an upper hand is the EVE universe, which few console gamers care about at all (I doubt the pew pew, explosions! aspects of Dust will be comparable to current top games).

My wishes:

- As it finances over microtransactions the game itself should be free and it should be actually playable without paying anything. I personally think this is the best way to grow up a playerbase. Nobody would purchase it if there were one-time and repeated costs, even if the critics were mega-good. A free Shooter is like free beer. People will drink it no matter how bad it is.

- As there will (hopefully) be much to do for a DUST player outside the battlefield (purchasing items, ...) there should be an easy to use menu. I literally hate most PS3 games for their crappy controlability (is that even a word?). Anyone who played Sacred 2 on PC and PS3 knows what I mean. The game itself is easy to play on PS3, but wait till you find a weapon you want to compare to you currently used one. The menu controls are just annoying as hell.... Pleasy pleasy make it easy to use with a Pad.

- Most important: I hope it will in fact be something different than the 1 Billion other Shooters out there. I am not quite sure of that...

This, also. I have no idea why CCP chose to limit themselves in this fashion, it's not like console games must exclude the PC market to be successful. I certainly will NOT be buying a PS3 for Dust - the recent hacking but especially Sony's way of handling it was the nail in the coffin. They can go eff themselves. So it's PC or bust.

This.

I don't understand the idea behind the "DUST on PC" comments.

It is very likely that CCP gets significant benefits from Sony for making DUST a PS3-exclusive. As has been pointed out in this thread DUST will need heavy marketing and Sony can help with that.
Then there have been various rumors about Sony considering to buy a stake in CCP depending on the success/failure/evolution of DUST.
Entering a new market (FPS games) with a strong & experienced partner on one's side is preferable to trying to do so on your own.

DUST on PC would - if successful - cannibalize EVE for the very reasons mentioned by the supporters of this idea (i.e. because it would be played by EVE players).
Most of us only have so much time for gaming per day/week - time that can be either spent playing EVE or DUST. The same goes for our budget.
If I had to spend a lot of money on DUST MTs I would probably cut back on my number of EVE subscriptions.
An EVE player that also plays DUST is worth much less to CCP than a non-EVE player that picks up DUST.
It's a similar problem to the conflict between WoW and Diablo III, but the hurdle to quit WoW completely for a few months to play Diablo is much higher than to let the subscription on your 2nd/3rd/4th/.... EVE account lapse.

If the public impression is that "DUST is a side-game for EVE players" this would probably hurt its adoption among the console FPS kiddies.

EVE players are complicated beasts with an 8 year-old attitude of entitlement firmly locked into their heads.
The unsubs during summer have shown that this sense of entitlement is not even accompanied by fierce loyalty to the company and its product.
EVE players don't like power MTs, DUST will feature power MTs - too many EVE players getting first-hand experience with that aspect of DUST won't do CCP any good^^
DUST is supposed to offer diversification for CCP. Catering to the same demographic as EVE would only mean that - no matter how well DUST could technically stand on its own feet - if EVE is going down DUST would die, too.

If DUST turns out to be a failure on PS3, these concerns will weigh much less heavily and there will be enough time to repurpose it in a PC release. But why limit your business options from the get-go in such a stupid way?

You mean something like people paying $60 for a gun in APB.


For me I think that PlanetSide 2 is going to be a competitor for Dust514 even though it's only on PC and from listening to what Smedley is saying an eventual competitor for EVE. He quite batantly uses EVE as a reference, talking about how CCP started with space content and is now adding a ground component, whereas with PlanetSide 2 they will do the opposite, ground then space.

SOE wants PlanetSide 2 to become their ultimate sandbox game. Only time will tell I guess.