EVE General Discussion

I think CCP should stop running incursions in Toys r Us and start to hold them in a particular section of EVE- Doril - Jorund - Hemin - RMOC-W - KQ-WHE - CL-85V - 8G-MQV.

That way, the rest of us can come along and say "hello" to all the brave capsuleers that are keeping us safe from Sansha.

As someone who on occasion runs incursions...they're not faucets. They're fire hoses, a good fleet can make about a bil per person in 8 to 10 hours. I was talking to one guy a few months back. He was 3months into the game and had over 17bil saved from just doing incursions. No real risk means crap tons of profit.

It's working as intended. It's been that way since forever. I know you're just learning about it now, but that's the general problem with highsec bears.

So ... you're basically saying that highsec now has an ISK source as good as running PVE in nullsec and Wormholes (nullsec & no local)? You're also aware that part of the reward of BOTH is market dependent, and not just a magic ISK fountain?

Shall we take this as a confirmation of what we are saying, that the risk:reward is wrong?

To the above poster, Incursions being a lowsec exclusive feature would be excellent. Highsec bears, and sov holders with lucky spawns, have ridden this particular gravy train far enough.

edit: and incursions are NOT a major isk faucet. Dev quote said that the LP rewards chew up most of the isk injected. Incursions are profitable, but do not have a significant affect on the economy, except to get people to play instead of station spin.

IMO every activity in eve should pay out in a good of some sort that people need, not straight ISK. That way the market automatically sets the profitability correctly. If it becomes too profitable, more people flood in to do it, the market gets over supplied with that good, and profitability drops. If profitability gets too low, people go do other things and it automatically comes back up. Bounties and ISK rewards break that mechanic. If CCP just sets the bounty amount too low or too high, the market can't correct it. Or at least, the only way the market can correct it is through inflation, but that just messes everything else up.

Generic LP rewards are better than ISK in that regard, but not a lot better. It artificially ties the profitability of missions and incursions together, which isn't optimal. Different values for LP might be optimal for each.

IMO CCP should remove bounties for NPCs entirely, remove all ISK mission rewards, and replace them with something else that can be converted into something tradeable that people need. Maybe you get a particular faction's LP for killing specific kinds of rats and you get concorde LP only for incursions, but new cool rewards are added to the concorde lp store. Every profession should have a free floating, market driven, profitability level. CCP would still be vaguely setting the profitability level by determining whether it pays out in a good that is in high demand or low demand and whatnot, but within those parameters it will self correct. Hard coded profitability levels are bound to go wrong every time.

edit: and incursions are NOT a major isk faucet. Dev quote said that the LP rewards chew up most of the isk injected

Just some math on LP isk sink relative to payouts:
HS vanguard rewards 10500000 ISK and 1400 Concord LP.

Using 1 LP sinks 1000 ISK, so each vanguard will generate:
10500000 - 1400*1000 = 9100000 ISK per person in the fleet.

That is best case scenario for ISK sink from LP, ie. each person will use all of his LP, and use it all on Concord LP store items, not converting it to other stores LP.

Hai anonymous forum alt.

Firstly, you are wrong. You're wrong because you haven't a clue what you're talking about, forum alt. You barely break 100mil per hour in lowsec / nullsec Incursions, if you are lucky, for two reasons:

1) You fly cost effective fits. No faction fit Nightmares. That, alone, makes up for nearly the entire difference in reward. Reward per site is irrelevant if you run fewer sites per hour.
2) There will be significant downtime from your site running whilst you are "interrupted"
3) Due to no one else doing them either, the influence bar stays pegged at 100% Sansha penalties. This makes a lot of the Blitz techniques invalid, and ergo the ISK/hr is actually not that awesome at all.

Of course. People running into low/null en masse to do PVE is a giant "come at me bro" magnet, so the risk is pretty damn high.

So, frankly, L2Eve

"We purposely made this very rewarding. We didn't want a situation where agent missions f.x. were out competing this feature.
We did raise the bar relatively high, it is possible to earn a load of isk with this, but that was also the intention when we wrote the reward list. "