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Drones Assist Mechanic Question/Thought
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JinSanJong
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-09-20 10:27:23 UTC
Surely the ability to assign hundreds of drones to one ship breaks the mechanic/skills where you can only assign so many yourself based on mods/skills. Isn't there a reason for tha being implemented. This completely overrides that and really should be removed.
Arrunca
Quator Finance
#2 - 2013-09-20 10:30:39 UTC
JinSanJong wrote:
Surely the ability to assign hundreds of drones to one ship breaks the mechanic/skills where you can only assign so many yourself based on mods/skills. Isn't there a reason for tha being implemented. This completely overrides that and really should be removed.


The mechanic is broken anyway, so no need to complain, its already as you want it.
JinSanJong
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-09-20 12:42:13 UTC
Arrunca wrote:
JinSanJong wrote:
Surely the ability to assign hundreds of drones to one ship breaks the mechanic/skills where you can only assign so many yourself based on mods/skills. Isn't there a reason for tha being implemented. This completely overrides that and really should be removed.


The mechanic is broken anyway, so no need to complain, its already as you want it.


It's NOT HOW I wanted it at all hence the post duh
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-09-20 12:50:42 UTC
Yeah, I'm pretty confident drone-assign is on the list of stuff to look at.

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Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#5 - 2013-09-20 12:58:33 UTC
You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet.
It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot!

Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-09-20 13:04:22 UTC
You just want to protect your free bio and beer breaks.

The the rest of us have like wait.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-09-20 13:11:55 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet.
It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot!

Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things.

yes but in a sentry drone fleet only the fc has to press a button, and all the sentries fire at the same time, this is the problem
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2013-09-20 13:13:22 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
You might also want to take a look at the ability to broadcast a target to an alphafleet.
It's OP as hell to be able to make 250 ships aware of a new target to shoot!

Tbh I don't see the particular issue. Focus firing and alpha are already things.

Not exactly. When you broadcast a target there are allways people who shoot someone else instead or take longer to shoot then others so most of the time not everyone in fleet shoots the target at the same moment.
With all drones assisting one ship they will all fire at the same moment so the alpha will be better.

If everyone in fleet had to control his own drones to let them fire on a broadcasted target this would be the same as with normal alpha fleets.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#9 - 2013-09-20 13:16:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alphea Abbra
I can almost always do a biobreak in an alphafleet, so it's not really much of an issue there.
And I'd rather do a combat biobreak in a battleship that is aligned than a cruiser or battlecruiser not aligned.

As for the protection of my own self-interest, yeah, you mean like any other group?
I get "free time" to use e-war/tackle/cap-war because my ship doesn't require the same degree of management that other weapon systems require. OTOH you can destroy my weapon systems if I use them. Instead of whining on forums about how OP it might be (Even though several CFC peeps said it was bad right after the Fountain war) how about doing what "you" (Although IIRC you were in -A- then) did to Raiden. in Tenal?
Suicide several 250-man drake blobs into a sentry-fleet and I am sure CCP will notice it.

Until then, you can either whine or you can bomb/smartbomb the sentries.

Edit: Post above was to Onictus. Reply below is to the single-fire point by Benny & Ka:
True, it's an FC that triggers with drones. I can assure you thought that not everyone has assisted the drones, and not everyone has the right drones or many other silly mistakes. It's not much different if you have people km-prostituting on other people with drones or 1400mm guns.
Adding to that, it's very hard to destroy the guns of an alphafleet, and drones are notoriously hard to overheat.

No, I don't see the issue.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-09-20 14:46:15 UTC
Posting in a I can't assist and hide behind POS shields thread.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#11 - 2013-09-20 15:03:52 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Posting in a I can't assist and hide behind POS shields thread.
Then you're in the wrong thread.
Smile
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#12 - 2013-09-20 15:06:05 UTC
The ability to slave literally thousands of weapons systems to one pilot is a bad mechanic and needs realistic limitations. Part of the flow of battle is determined by how disciplined one fleet is compared to another, and one person will always be able to react more quickly and efficiently than 1000 pilots all trying to follow orders.

It disrupts the current balancing mechanics involved in large scale EVE combat, providing a significant advantage that was not intended.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-09-20 15:09:05 UTC
"one guy in an instalocking supertanked T3 commanding the DPS of 200 sentries is perfectly fine guys"

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-09-20 15:12:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
I think even more than "balance" issues, it is an inherently flawed mechanic that encourages more "not playing" instead of more actual playing. For that alone it needs to be hammered into the ground. I believe there are a maximum number of fighters that can be assigned to someone based on some skill they have, so just use that existing mechanism for all drones, qualified by bandwith if you like.

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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-09-20 15:55:27 UTC
Andski wrote:
"one guy in an instalocking supertanked T3 commanding the DPS of 200 sentries is perfectly fine guys"


Posting in a stealth "buff goon tears" thread
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#16 - 2013-09-20 15:56:47 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
I think even more than "balance" issues, it is an inherently flawed mechanic that encourages more "not playing" instead of more actual playing. For that alone it needs to be hammered into the ground
If that is your reason then drone assist is fine.

@Andski if you want to make up quotes at least make one up that is believable.
Besides, even in your attempt at ridicule, yeah it's fine.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-09-20 15:57:27 UTC
Andski wrote:
"one guy in an instalocking supertanked T3 commanding the DPS of 200 sentries is perfectly fine guys"



Well was till he was primaried by 100 Celestis Twisted
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-09-20 16:01:58 UTC
We should definitely remove blackbirds and falcons from game.

Hurray meta!

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-09-20 16:03:21 UTC
"don't nerf drone assist, we need more skill dependent counters to the blob like drone assist. clearly, the blob can't use these things themselves"

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Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#20 - 2013-09-20 16:09:52 UTC
Andski wrote:
"don't nerf drone assist, we need more skill dependent counters to the blob like drone assist. clearly, the blob can't use these things themselves"


I bet drone assist sympathizers would change their tune in a hurry if goons dropped 1000 dominix on them instead of 1000 megas CoolCoolCool
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