EVE General Discussion

Yeah than you could do the same thing but luckily there are timers that prevent stuff like this.

Without timers no one could build up anything because you can't defend it 24h a day from everyone else.

Timers protect smaller groups, you numpty.

Server shouldn't be protecting anyone. And no the timers protect the big alliances.

If a big alliance wants to take someone's system they can timer or not. But if a small group wants to take a bigger groups they cannot as the bigger group gets to choose the time . Without timers they could take it when the alliance is most vulnerable, if the alliance hasn't been careful recruiting globally but the way things are they will always have to be on when the bigger alliance has its full force at its disposal.

The servers are protecting our sanity against you.
Should that also stop?

What you are advocating is that every day should look like S2N citizens dropped sov in the east and 300 systems were conquered by a supercap fleet.
Except that it can only be done if they have stable income, so everyplace will burn for a few days, and then you need a 50-man fleet in each system, all the time.
If what you suggests is the anti-goon / anti-blob, then I want my goon membership ASAP.

No, you're not right. Not even wrong. Just deluded and not-applicable.

The number is not as important as you'd think as long as both sides surpass as specific amount (or general amount depending on how you look at it).

In a game where you can only hold 4,000 ships in one system, the fact you have 50,000 over the enemy's 35,000 isn't as big of an indicator to the victor.

The isk and organisational aspects have a bit of merit, but again, not as much as 1 can bury the other (employ of mercenaries for instance).

Commitment however... that's 1 trait that sure as hell is important.

Sov seems to be a war of attrition. Commitment being the biggest killer (lack of) that I've seen reading all the reports that happen.

Going back to my rebuttal:
Like the Harry Forever charicature, you're so far off your comments are inapplicable.

To a large degree, yes. Try checking "The Art of War in EVE Online" on YT.
It's by The Mittani but from a grunt perspective it accurately represents how wars are fought in general.

Have you not watched Scarface?

Imagine 50 Scarfaces.

U.S would fall in a year.

Oh wait, Eve is a game, gotcha =)

Where if there were no timers, a large alliance could take EVERYTHING until they could not keep it all. And then would have to use diplomacy to not have sov switch back and forth on a daily basis (but a different group can come in and upset it) and worry about the dynamic of the entire game being able to upset their isk generation.

If you have Goons (example) keep saying "invade us!" then try to remove timers and see what happens.

Imagine all the fun with people who try to take your ancestral home (probably not succeed but the target/idea of it...) and how often Sov would switch hands.

Mercenary alliances would sprout all over the place lending their guns for fights since timers allow for too much organization and hurts guerrilla tactics and does in fact favor the larger group over the smaller because the smaller has to have suprise as their main strength, whereas surprise is simply a weaker tool in the target's arsenal.

Even to the point of just harassing the sov of a region would encourage more small/mid/large gang fights and temporary pacts just to "TRY".

A timer defeats those notions stronger than anything else. Timers help power projection. Timers allow forces enough time to scramble a defense from the other side of the universe.

It's a valid game mechanic sure.

But a lack of MIGHT or MIGHT NOT make it more "fun" due to the dynamics of being forced to commit titans and supers in order to keep up.

tl;dr Cyno chains, logistic chains, power projection and conquering forces would be deeply impacted by a lack of timers (for good or bad yay meta).

Yea, and just reading the reports of a "major sov war" lasting a month is an indication.

People just do not have sand anymore.

When everyone wants to fly ships that cost billions as opposed to using older strategies (I get modernization I'm not arguing it) that utilized pure t1 and fights lasted MONTHS...

You can definitely demoralize an enemy fast.

If wars were fought and won without capitals and super caps and titans... the longevity would increase.

Fights would be more fun (not so stagnant and definitive as well as you could afford to reship everyday).

When I tried Eve briefly 10 years ago, it was because someone I knew who played Eve, talked about playing all night in a big fight with very large ships that were expensive, but still the fights lasted for DAYS on end. He would tell me how he would finally go to bed, wake up and go to work, get home, login, and join that VERY SAME fight.

That right there, is epic.

Now? 4,000 ships (granted much higher and resource intensive than back then) 14 hour fight, and it's over to the point most groups cannot come back from.

In the game of isk that's awesome.

In a game of battles that's terrible.

if you're upset about having to deal with timers in nullsec maybe you shouldn't go to nullsec

I see Infinity is at it again?

The only think you need to know about Infinity Ziona is that (s)he has an intensely selfish and even greedy worldview. This is why (s)he is against local because it warns people (s)he wants to kill, against cloaking because (s)he can't find them to kill and against SOV space because when (s)she raided Tribe's space it meant actual logistical effort instead of having some kind of free port to dock at to make killing ratting ships easier.

It's the same here, infinity doesn't like timers because it doesn't let infinity go solo into space that favors organized groups. And building a group of sufficient size and organization is too much effort. In short, Ziona is a solo-supremacist who doesn't understand that different areas of EVE-space have different things they focus on and that not all areas are supposed to favor "solo" players.

It seems that EVE solo-able lands (high sec, low sec, npc null, and up to class 4 wormholes) just aren't enough for some.