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Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
#441 - 2013-09-19 19:59:12 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Captain Farallon wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

I'm destroying goonswarm...


You are completely delusional. This quote alone makes it abundantly clear that there is no reasoning with you.


blocked.


You are aware that just writing "blocked" is not enough, right? Because posts like this seem to suggest you have some problems making your blocks stick.
Michael Loney
Skullspace Industries
#442 - 2013-09-19 20:02:23 UTC
When quoting someone it helps to ACTUALLY quote something they said.

Harry Forever wrote:
Michael Loney wrote:
bla....


1. you did not understand matchmaking in leagues, please take a look at starcraft

2. the system is not complicated but you are

3. there does not need to be an impact on the market, its a different game within the game

4. look at point 3.

5. the reason why people even do that stuff on sisi is just because there is a need for what I'm talking about, CCP should take care and integrate arenas within the client

finally, when you are typing, keep it short, if not it just looks like you don't know what you are talking about



1) Matchmaking in leagues is determined by the win / loss ratio of a player with what ever race / faction they are using. In addition it looks at match length, opposition faction, oppositions rating, map played on as well as number of players online. So yes, I get how it works but none of the same parameters matter when compared to two ships fit 100% the same and choosing different ammo. In Starcraft you cannot burrow your Marines, shield your Zerglings or give Zelots flame throwers. Pylons do not fly and command centers do not make creep. The weapons never change.

2) The personal attack against me indicates you do not understand how much fittings can change the outcome and instead deflect it back in a meaningless response.
Every 5 year old everywhere wrote:
No you're ugly!!

3) By your own validation, DIFFERENT game. So why integrate it here?

4) Still looks the same from here... Still a different game.

5) The reason they do it on Sisi is to avoid the heavy Isk investment and risk, not because it does not exist.

I agree that some people do a lot of talking without saying much, but I put forward several questions that I think are relevant, not put up a wall of text to support myself.

You also forgot to read the question about the physical arena setup. Size and starting distance can decide a battle more than fitting can.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#443 - 2013-09-19 20:25:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Michael Loney wrote:
When quoting someone it helps to ACTUALLY quote something they said.

Harry Forever wrote:
Michael Loney wrote:
bla....


1. you did not understand matchmaking in leagues, please take a look at starcraft

2. the system is not complicated but you are

3. there does not need to be an impact on the market, its a different game within the game

4. look at point 3.

5. the reason why people even do that stuff on sisi is just because there is a need for what I'm talking about, CCP should take care and integrate arenas within the client

finally, when you are typing, keep it short, if not it just looks like you don't know what you are talking about



1) Matchmaking in leagues is determined by the win / loss ratio of a player with what ever race / faction they are using. In addition it looks at match length, opposition faction, oppositions rating, map played on as well as number of players online. So yes, I get how it works but none of the same parameters matter when compared to two ships fit 100% the same and choosing different ammo. In Starcraft you cannot burrow your Marines, shield your Zerglings or give Zelots flame throwers. Pylons do not fly and command centers do not make creep. The weapons never change.

2) The personal attack against me indicates you do not understand how much fittings can change the outcome and instead deflect it back in a meaningless response.
Every 5 year old everywhere wrote:
No you're ugly!!

3) By your own validation, DIFFERENT game. So why integrate it here?

4) Still looks the same from here... Still a different game.

5) The reason they do it on Sisi is to avoid the heavy Isk investment and risk, not because it does not exist.

I agree that some people do a lot of talking without saying much, but I put forward several questions that I think are relevant, not put up a wall of text to support myself.

You also forgot to read the question about the physical arena setup. Size and starting distance can decide a battle more than fitting can.


fitted modules have points as well like hulls, based on that the strength of the ship is calculated, there will be also a lot of data after the system goes online that can be integrated into matchmaking

5. they do it because arenas without isk and ship loss does not exist, as well as no real matchmaking, they do it there because CCP hast no gamemode for it, that they do it on sisi just shows that arenas are needed within the game and that the player want it, sisi is no sollution for that because there is no matchmaking over the client

I answered the question of the arena size and starting point after I edited the response

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#444 - 2013-09-19 20:29:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Barzai Mekhar wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Captain Farallon wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

I'm destroying goonswarm...


You are completely delusional. This quote alone makes it abundantly clear that there is no reasoning with you.


blocked.


You are aware that just writing "blocked" is not enough, right? Because posts like this seem to suggest you have some problems making your blocks stick.


blocked as well. it does not look like you want to add to the topic anymore

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
samualvimes
Brothers At Arms
#445 - 2013-09-19 20:34:50 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Barzai Mekhar wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Captain Farallon wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

I'm destroying goonswarm...


You are completely delusional. This quote alone makes it abundantly clear that there is no reasoning with you.


blocked.


You are aware that just writing "blocked" is not enough, right? Because posts like this seem to suggest you have some problems making your blocks stick.


blocked as well. it does not look like you want to add to the topic anymore

blocked as well. it does not look like you want to add to the topic anymore

If you've never tried PvP in EvE it's quite possible you've missed out on one of the greatest rushes available in modern gaming.
Michael Loney
Skullspace Industries
#446 - 2013-09-19 20:57:48 UTC
Harry forever wrote:

frig fights i would start at 10-20k and see how it goes, if player loose with short weapons they will adapt, if players loose with long range weapons they will adapt, that should not be an issue if there are some fits better for arenas then others... based on how it goes they can adjust as well as the player, range of weponsSad could be put into the matchmaking system as well, there would be many sollutionsSad to that


You just pointed out and exemplified why ~%80 of this thread is about.

Arenas are not about combat, they are about running the 'winning' setup and not messing it up. That is why most arena based games have a yearly release cycle, to keep the customers playing. No one goes back to play COD 3 because there is a new one to play that is SO much better! WoW releases an expansion every 2 years but are still seeing a decline after making the arena system faster and easier to enter. It gets boring fast.

Eve is going 10 years strong despite the terrible oversight of not having an arena system. We do not want to have thousands of pilots that only know how to fit X and press F1 to win. We want smart, innovative thinkers that will push the game to the edges and then ask for more. That is what tiericide is all about, giving us options to work with.

Do us a favor, write out your idea, put numbers to how a match making system would work, not just "it will". Give us an example of why two identical Rifters with different ammo types would be matched to each other and how it would determine a rank system from the outcome. Prove to us you have a semblance of a clue HOW the game mechanics really work and we will engage in a proper debate on the merits of the system. Download EFT and put different fits together for example.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#447 - 2013-09-19 21:04:53 UTC
You guys have to admit, as troll this dude is strong. Lol

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Michael Loney
Skullspace Industries
#448 - 2013-09-19 21:13:38 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
You guys have to admit, as troll this dude is strong. Lol


Yes, strong like a rock!
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#449 - 2013-09-19 21:20:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Michael Loney wrote:
Harry forever wrote:

frig fights i would start at 10-20k and see how it goes, if player loose with short weapons they will adapt, if players loose with long range weapons they will adapt, that should not be an issue if there are some fits better for arenas then others... based on how it goes they can adjust as well as the player, range of weponsSad could be put into the matchmaking system as well, there would be many sollutionsSad to that


You just pointed out and exemplified why ~%80 of this thread is about.

Arenas are not about combat, they are about running the 'winning' setup and not messing it up. That is why most arena based games have a yearly release cycle, to keep the customers playing. No one goes back to play COD 3 because there is a new one to play that is SO much better! WoW releases an expansion every 2 years but are still seeing a decline after making the arena system faster and easier to enter. It gets boring fast.

Eve is going 10 years strong despite the terrible oversight of not having an arena system. We do not want to have thousands of pilots that only know how to fit X and press F1 to win. We want smart, innovative thinkers that will push the game to the edges and then ask for more. That is what tiericide is all about, giving us options to work with.

Do us a favor, write out your idea, put numbers to how a match making system would work, not just "it will". Give us an example of why two identical Rifters with different ammo types would be matched to each other and how it would determine a rank system from the outcome. Prove to us you have a semblance of a clue HOW the game mechanics really work and we will engage in a proper debate on the merits of the system. Download EFT and put different fits together for example.


smart thinkers, lol, you only got blobs, 100 vs. 1 thats smart yup, but boring

the problem is, i can write so much i want, you wont get it, i can feel it, you play the game on safemode thats why you want to be safe on all things with the arenas, but you never will be, arenas will be at some point chaos, and thats good, thats what we want, however you want to have everything explained all proven, all that crap, you make it boring like the 100 vs. 1 blobs out there, you don't just try it out... because it has to be safe and proven

honestly you are the wrong guy to discuss this, you are just the typical eve player who will not understand it, you don't understand the gameplay and the fun behind it, its not for you

you still think like arenas should be like sandbox gameplay, but they should not

you are all a special type of people, thats why typing is so important for you, youa re all fuddy duddy but don't see the big picture, you get lost in the details

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#450 - 2013-09-20 00:03:28 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
smart thinkers, lol, you only got blobs, 100 vs. 1 thats smart yup, but boring

the problem is, i can write so much i want, you wont get it, i can feel it, you play the game on safemode thats why you want to be safe on all things with the arenas, but you never will be, arenas will be at some point chaos, and thats good, thats what we want, however you want to have everything explained all proven, all that crap, you make it boring like the 100 vs. 1 blobs out there, you don't just try it out... because it has to be safe and proven

honestly you are the wrong guy to discuss this, you are just the typical eve player who will not understand it, you don't understand the gameplay and the fun behind it, its not for you

you still think like arenas should be like sandbox gameplay, but they should not

you are all a special type of people, thats why typing is so important for you, youa re all fuddy duddy but don't see the big picture, you get lost in the details
Ha, we're fuddy duddy lol.

At the end of the day HArry, you have to convince us to like it. You have failed at that because you are totally unable to argue your point. you simply state the same wrong statements over and over then insult everyone. That won't get you anywhere.

At the end of the day, in a year, when theres still no matchmaking system and loss free arenas, I'll still be playing, and you'll still be filling cups with tears.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#451 - 2013-09-20 07:02:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Lucas Kell wrote:
said something


its fine, until then me and my people will all play valkyrie

the developers, those who want to try new things will move over

the evolution will take place, if not in eve, then in a side project that will take over

at the end you just loose a lot with your behaviour

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#452 - 2013-09-20 07:13:55 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
said something


its fine, until then me and my people will all play valkyrie

the developers, those who want to try new things will move over

the evolution will take place, if not in eve, then in a side project that will take over

at the end you just loose a lot with your behaviour


Just take a look at this guys killboard to see where he's coming from Lol

No seriously, did you ever even participate in a battle besides whoring on kills?
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#453 - 2013-09-20 08:19:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tchulen
Harry Forever wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
said something


its fine, until then me and my people will all play valkyrie

the developers, those who want to try new things will move over

the evolution will take place, if not in eve, then in a side project that will take over

at the end you just loose a lot with your behaviour


Great. Now **** off to valkyrie.

You've got no real experience of PVP in EVE. All you do is sit at a gate, cloaked, until a pod or a noob ship comes past, decloak and kill it. That's the lowest form of PVP in EVE. In a real life analogy, that's like the inbred 6 year old who's too big for his age standing by the school gate and punching all the smaller kids as they walk into school. Go away until you know what you're talking about, unless you're a troll of course.

You've got no real experience of other MMO's, from what you've said. Go away until you know what you're talking about, unless you're a troll of course.

In fact, if you're not a troll you should really stop posting because you're just going to get a load of petitions sent to CCP to lock this thread like they've locked most of your others.

But then you are a troll so we all know where this is going to end up. :)
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#454 - 2013-09-20 08:22:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
said something


its fine, until then me and my people will all play valkyrie

the developers, those who want to try new things will move over

the evolution will take place, if not in eve, then in a side project that will take over

at the end you just loose a lot with your behaviour


Just take a look at this guys killboard to see where he's coming from Lol

No seriously, did you ever even participate in a battle besides whoring on kills?


90% of my kills are solo, learn how to read a killboard please

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#455 - 2013-09-20 08:29:31 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
said something


its fine, until then me and my people will all play valkyrie

the developers, those who want to try new things will move over

the evolution will take place, if not in eve, then in a side project that will take over

at the end you just loose a lot with your behaviour


Great. Now **** off to valkyrie.

You've got no real experience of PVP in EVE. All you do is sit at a gate, cloaked, until a pod or a noob ship comes past, decloak and kill it. That's the lowest form of PVP in EVE. In a real life analogy, that's like the inbred 6 year old who's too big for his age standing by the school gate and punching all the smaller kids as they walk into school. Go away until you know what you're talking about, unless you're a troll of course.

You've got no real experience of other MMO's, from what you've said. Go away until you know what you're talking about, unless you're a troll of course.

In fact, if you're not a troll you should really stop posting because you're just going to get a load of petitions sent to CCP to lock this thread like they've locked most of your others.

But then you are a troll so we all know where this is going to end up. :)


I'm playing the hardest part of eve, soloing goonswarm

its like solo fighing against 5000 people in real life, try it out to assure you know what you are talking about

they however teamup to get me 10 vs. 1 ...so its right what you say, you just mixed up the parties

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#456 - 2013-09-20 08:30:13 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
said something


its fine, until then me and my people will all play valkyrie

the developers, those who want to try new things will move over

the evolution will take place, if not in eve, then in a side project that will take over

at the end you just loose a lot with your behaviour


Just take a look at this guys killboard to see where he's coming from Lol

No seriously, did you ever even participate in a battle besides whoring on kills?


90% of my kills are solo you douche


90% (probably more) of you're kills are pods and noob ships......... you douche.

As I said, you just cloak up and pick on pods and noob ships. That doesn't constitute understanding PVP. You have no concept of what PVP is actually like so you have no understanding of EVE PVP.

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#457 - 2013-09-20 08:33:49 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
said something


its fine, until then me and my people will all play valkyrie

the developers, those who want to try new things will move over

the evolution will take place, if not in eve, then in a side project that will take over

at the end you just loose a lot with your behaviour


Just take a look at this guys killboard to see where he's coming from Lol

No seriously, did you ever even participate in a battle besides whoring on kills?


90% of my kills are solo you douche


90% (probably more) of you're kills are pods and noob ships......... you douche.

As I said, you just cloak up and pick on pods and noob ships. That doesn't constitute understanding PVP. You have no concept of what PVP is actually like so you have no understanding of EVE PVP.



you do not understand the environment I'm figthing in, thats why you don't understand the kills I'm doing

the kills I do are all infront of goonswarms main hub, go try it out... i feel you are missing some experience in solofights against an alliance

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#458 - 2013-09-20 08:34:05 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
I'm playing the hardest part of eve, soloing goonswarm

its like solo fighing against 5000 people in real life, try it out to assure you know what you are talking about

they however teamup to get me 10 vs. 1 ...so its right what you say, you just mixed up the parties


Wow! Just wow!

You have no concept of PVP or what's hard in EVE, obviously. Anyone can sit in a system in a cloaky and pick off pods and noob ships. It's not really much risk as the time it takes to kill them is a few seconds so the time you're uncloaked is tiny. Not enough to get caught although you clearly do.

It's not 5000 vs 1. They're simply ignoring you. You are to them like the housefly is to me. It buzzes around me and annoys me and every so often pisses me off enough for me to swat it. You're a fly to them. You're nothing.

And you've got an ego the size of a mountain and the intellect of a ten year old.

Oh, and you're quite obviously a douche.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#459 - 2013-09-20 08:35:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Tchulen wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I'm playing the hardest part of eve, soloing goonswarm

its like solo fighing against 5000 people in real life, try it out to assure you know what you are talking about

they however teamup to get me 10 vs. 1 ...so its right what you say, you just mixed up the parties


Wow! Just wow!

You have no concept of PVP or what's hard in EVE, obviously. Anyone can sit in a system in a cloaky and pick off pods and noob ships. It's not really much risk as the time it takes to kill them is a few seconds so the time you're uncloaked is tiny. Not enough to get caught although you clearly do.

It's not 5000 vs 1. They're simply ignoring you. You are to them like the housefly is to me. It buzzes around me and annoys me and every so often pisses me off enough for me to swat it. You're a fly to them. You're nothing.

And you've got an ego the size of a mountain and the intellect of a ten year old.

Oh, and you're quite obviously a douche.


I'm the main opponent up there, there is nobody else fighting them, they care a lot

and you quite obvious do not understand much

my IQ is 150 trust me I'm fine, however I'm concerned about yours

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#460 - 2013-09-20 08:38:04 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
said something


its fine, until then me and my people will all play valkyrie

the developers, those who want to try new things will move over

the evolution will take place, if not in eve, then in a side project that will take over

at the end you just loose a lot with your behaviour


Just take a look at this guys killboard to see where he's coming from Lol

No seriously, did you ever even participate in a battle besides whoring on kills?


90% of my kills are solo, learn how to read a killboard please

Yeah! Solo cyno ships.
You know how hard it is to kill a ship with no defensive modules, no offensive modules and that is stuck in a single place for 10 minutes?!?!?!?

It's VERY... well actually it's very easy. So easy in fact most of us don;t bother. Harry does, and he thinks that makes him "competitive" lol

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