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Renault T'Bonin
Doomheim
#381 - 2013-09-19 14:40:43 UTC
Mythrandier wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:

Ganking miners: Phhht. That's for the incompetents that can't handle low sec or 0.0. It might be allowed, it might even be an intended mechanic. But it wreaks of incompetence and desperation.

'Tis a common security blanket folks hang onto. But it's an illusion, and like all illusions, provides no real security or protection. Check the killboards. You'll see that your comforting illusion is just smoke on the wind.

Like security blankets and teddy bears everywhere, your illusion is a coping tactic to protect you from fear. Shed the fear; Your game will only improve.


You're either role playing, your not paying attention, or you need therapy.

If you gank in empire- you cannot make it elsewhere.

I'm not arguing that ganking should be removed form the game. I'm stating, directly, that you are incompetent. A waste of game space. A person who uses a marginal area of game mechanics to "get off" on the tears of others. You are desperate, incompetent, and unable to sustain yourself honestly- just like any other criminal.

If you'd like to deny that- it's almost as entertaining as a failed gank. So go ahead. Tell us how you are not a criminal?

CCP says your a criminal. Therefor you are a criminal. And like most criminals... you're pretty useless.



Some reading for you.


Citing a form of argument taught in a Intro to Logic class, and backing it up with a Wikipedia article... is quite frankly incompetent.

Next thing you're going to start drawing Venn diagrams and pointing out that while all gankers are incompetent, not all incompetent players are gankers. Then you'll point out an exception- and provide another Wikipedia link.

You're incompetent. Stop embarrassing yourself.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#382 - 2013-09-19 14:43:13 UTC
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
You're incompetent. Stop embarrassing yourself.
So you have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.
Renault T'Bonin
Doomheim
#383 - 2013-09-19 14:44:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
You're incompetent. Stop embarrassing yourself.
So you have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.


Incorrect.

The fallacy here is that I have to play YOUR game.

This is EVE, I set my own rules.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#384 - 2013-09-19 14:47:45 UTC
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Mythrandier wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:

Ganking miners: Phhht. That's for the incompetents that can't handle low sec or 0.0. It might be allowed, it might even be an intended mechanic. But it wreaks of incompetence and desperation.

'Tis a common security blanket folks hang onto. But it's an illusion, and like all illusions, provides no real security or protection. Check the killboards. You'll see that your comforting illusion is just smoke on the wind.

Like security blankets and teddy bears everywhere, your illusion is a coping tactic to protect you from fear. Shed the fear; Your game will only improve.


You're either role playing, your not paying attention, or you need therapy.

If you gank in empire- you cannot make it elsewhere.

I'm not arguing that ganking should be removed form the game. I'm stating, directly, that you are incompetent. A waste of game space. A person who uses a marginal area of game mechanics to "get off" on the tears of others. You are desperate, incompetent, and unable to sustain yourself honestly- just like any other criminal.

If you'd like to deny that- it's almost as entertaining as a failed gank. So go ahead. Tell us how you are not a criminal?

CCP says your a criminal. Therefor you are a criminal. And like most criminals... you're pretty useless.



Some reading for you.


Citing a form of argument taught in a Intro to Logic class, and backing it up with a Wikipedia article... is quite frankly incompetent.

Next thing you're going to start drawing Venn diagrams and pointing out that while all gankers are incompetent, not all incompetent players are gankers. Then you'll point out an exception- and provide another Wikipedia link.

You're incompetent. Stop embarrassing yourself.


I see, so you back up your ad hominem argument with another ad hominem argument and then proceed to tell me that I'M the one embarrassing myself?

That, is pretty damn amazing.


"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Renault T'Bonin
Doomheim
#385 - 2013-09-19 14:47:56 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:


You're either role playing, your not paying attention, or you need therapy.

If you gank in empire- you cannot make it elsewhere.

I'm not arguing that ganking should be removed form the game. I'm stating, directly, that you are incompetent. A waste of game space. A person who uses a marginal area of game mechanics to "get off" on the tears of others. You are desperate, incompetent, and unable to sustain yourself honestly- just like any other criminal.

If you'd like to deny that- it's almost as entertaining as a failed gank. So go ahead. Tell us how you are not a criminal?

CCP says your a criminal. Therefor you are a criminal. And like most criminals... you're pretty useless.




Enough of this fippery and conniving subtle remarks. Tell us how you REALLY feel.


I feel fine. How are you?
Renault T'Bonin
Doomheim
#386 - 2013-09-19 14:49:11 UTC
Mythrandier wrote:

I see, so you back up your ad hominem argument with another ad hominem argument and then proceed to tell me that I'M the one embarrassing myself?

That, is pretty damn amazing.




Those with limited intellect are easily amused.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#387 - 2013-09-19 14:50:33 UTC
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Mythrandier wrote:

I see, so you back up your ad hominem argument with another ad hominem argument and then proceed to tell me that I'M the one embarrassing myself?

That, is pretty damn amazing.




Those with limited intellect are easily amused.



I'm sure they are. Is that all you have to add? Or are you just stalling while you come up with an actual point?

no rush, I can wait.

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#388 - 2013-09-19 14:51:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
The fallacy here is that I have to play YOUR game.
Yes, a strawman is indeed a fallacy.
So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.

Quote:
This is EVE, I set my own rules.
No. CCP sets the rules. They also hand out the tools. If you choose to ignore the gameplay effects of those rules and choose not to make use of the tools at your disposal, then the outcome is very much on your shoulders.
Renault T'Bonin
Doomheim
#389 - 2013-09-19 14:52:41 UTC
Mythrandier wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Mythrandier wrote:

I see, so you back up your ad hominem argument with another ad hominem argument and then proceed to tell me that I'M the one embarrassing myself?

That, is pretty damn amazing.




Those with limited intellect are easily amused.



I'm sure they are. Is that all you have to add? Or are you just stalling while you come up with an actual point?

no rush, I can wait.


I'm not rushed. Just enjoying my coffee.

And.... Gankers are incompetent.
Renault T'Bonin
Doomheim
#390 - 2013-09-19 14:54:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
The fallacy here is that I have to play YOUR game.
Yes, a strawman is indeed a fallacy.
So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.

Quote:
This is EVE, I set my own rules.
No. CCP sets the rules. They also hand out the tools. If you choose to ignore the gameplay effects of those rules and choose not to make use of the tools at your disposal, then the outcome is very much on your shoulders.


Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee.

Be well!!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#391 - 2013-09-19 14:57:32 UTC
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee.
I don't drink coffee.
So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.
Ezslider
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#392 - 2013-09-19 15:13:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee.
I don't drink coffee.
So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.


He will never have a real argument that will be able to be proven out in the open. Trying to argue your own world views of how things should be is rarely if ever fueled by any sort of logic, it is based on an emotion

Kind of like arguing with a woman...facts are not that important.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#393 - 2013-09-19 15:17:20 UTC
Ezslider wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee.
I don't drink coffee.
So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.


He will never have a real argument that will be able to be proven out in the open. Trying to argue your own world views of how things should be is rarely if ever fueled by any sort of logic, it is based on an emotion

Kind of like arguing with a woman...facts are not that important.


Aye, some people just don’t understand the difference between being subjective, or being objective.

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#394 - 2013-09-19 15:18:55 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee.
I don't drink coffee.
So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.



Do honesty a favor and go back up thread a bit and apply that tone to the New Order poster claiming "many" corp members are selling mining equipment. Then promptly refusing to back up the claim with zero numbers or evidence.

Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. The game-play is no more honorable than that.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#395 - 2013-09-19 15:24:22 UTC
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Mythrandier wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:

Ganking miners: Phhht. That's for the incompetents that can't handle low sec or 0.0. It might be allowed, it might even be an intended mechanic. But it wreaks of incompetence and desperation.

'Tis a common security blanket folks hang onto. But it's an illusion, and like all illusions, provides no real security or protection. Check the killboards. You'll see that your comforting illusion is just smoke on the wind.

Like security blankets and teddy bears everywhere, your illusion is a coping tactic to protect you from fear. Shed the fear; Your game will only improve.


You're either role playing, your not paying attention, or you need therapy.

If you gank in empire- you cannot make it elsewhere.

I'm not arguing that ganking should be removed form the game. I'm stating, directly, that you are incompetent. A waste of game space. A person who uses a marginal area of game mechanics to "get off" on the tears of others. You are desperate, incompetent, and unable to sustain yourself honestly- just like any other criminal.

If you'd like to deny that- it's almost as entertaining as a failed gank. So go ahead. Tell us how you are not a criminal?

CCP says your a criminal. Therefor you are a criminal. And like most criminals... you're pretty useless.



Some reading for you.


Citing a form of argument taught in a Intro to Logic class, and backing it up with a Wikipedia article... is quite frankly incompetent.

Next thing you're going to start drawing Venn diagrams and pointing out that while all gankers are incompetent, not all incompetent players are gankers. Then you'll point out an exception- and provide another Wikipedia link.

You're incompetent. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Another ad hominem attack, along with a Genetic Fallacy. Citing Wikipediia, as ayone should know, is not an authoritative cite, but it is an informative cite. It wouldn't make any differnce where he cited, though - ad hominem is ad hominem.

Seriously, you've got nothing to sell but insults and fallacies. Pack up your wagon and go; you've got nothing left to peddle here.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#396 - 2013-09-19 15:24:45 UTC
How dishonorable !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#397 - 2013-09-19 15:25:37 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee.
I don't drink coffee.
So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.



Do honesty a favor and go back up thread a bit and apply that tone to the New Order poster claiming "many" corp members are selling mining equipment. Then promptly refusing to back up the claim with zero numbers or evidence.

Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. The game-play is no more honorable than that.


Its called piracy.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#398 - 2013-09-19 15:30:02 UTC
They are New Order Knights, enforcing the Halima Code (did I spell that right?)

Though that GM said the New Order doesn't exist, so I guess their highsec dream is over

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#399 - 2013-09-19 15:33:45 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:

Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. The game-play is no more honorable than that.
Aaaaand the argument descends the final rung of the ladder, to Name Calling.

Congratulations - you have reached the nadir, and have nothing constructive left to offer.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#400 - 2013-09-19 15:39:17 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
MeestaPenni wrote:

Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. The game-play is no more honorable than that.
Aaaaand the argument descends the final rung of the ladder, to Name Calling.

Congratulations - you have reached the nadir, and have nothing constructive left to offer.

:slowclap: ?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?