EVE General Discussion

Until somebody decides that what they do is damaging to the game... then they are gone and forgotten... one must be pretty delusional to think otherwise.

One must be pretty delusional to think that this will happen in the future if it hasn't happened yet… which it hasn't. Especially when we consider that the last we hard on the matter from CCP was that it's worth losing some customer rather than trying to constantly nibble away at the integrity of the game to please their incessant whining.

THUS THE POSSY FORMS AND THE SHOUTING DOWN STARTS..................

True fact. The latest trend from the bears is "Some time soon, CCP will get rid of you!"


If they didn't do it before, when ganking was at an all-time high, they won't do it now, when it's super low.




I'll also challenge your thinking...Perhaps CCP didn't buff marges to because ganking is so terribad awful. Maybe, just maybe....CCP buffed the barges coz they were sick of hearing bears cry, and decided to throw them a bone in hopes it would shut them up.


TBH, if it were a choice between ganking and mining for CCP, I see mining going out. EVE was designed as a harsh free loot PVP MMOG along the lines of UO pre-trammel. It's not a mining sim.

Before you scream "YOU NEED US!", remember, gunmining was a thing, and it wouldn't be hard to reinstate.






There's a man named Hilmar, he's the CEO of CCP. If you really think he's going to let go of a deeply held core tenant of his flagship game........

Not really, no.

Since SOE (re)taught the entire industry a great lesson in why you shouldn't try to change your customer base, chances are: nothing.

You know that harassment is against the rules, right, and that the only thing that has managed to make people leave the game in large enough numbers to make the management change course was when they strayed away from the whole “blowing people up in space” core of the game?

You also know that people have been saying that since before I started, 6 years ago, right? And guess what, the gankers have never been next. CCP has been working hard to ensure that they're still in the game and able to do what they do…

…but that doesn't make them any different from other players, and considering how minute the minority is who doesn't like PvP in EVE, it's probably not a group CCP cares all that much about.

Helpless by choice 'bears are incredibly high maintenance customers. They ignore the tools they've been given preferring instead to demand nerfs on the forums, they get them, then demand fresh nerfs ad infinitum. Unfortunately they're numerous and well used to getting their way so CCP probably feels they have to cave in. I see encouraging signs that the tide has turned on that though.

Gankers on the other had will do what they've always done, they adapt, try new strategies and work together within the confines of the system to achieve their goals.

You might be amazed to know, but...many many PVPers have industry alts. They even have more than one, at times, due to ship costs and all. The account epeen waving won't work here though, because not only are there a ton of PVPers who'd be willing to Jita riot, there's also quite a few PVE'ers who subscribe to the "harsh cold universe" mantra, who'd join us. I've always figured the hard carebear anti-PVPers to be a tiny minority of the overall highsec community. Don't forget that your vaunted ~70% includes highsec money alts, us gankers, the botfarms, Fac warfare folks who hunt in high.....


And as I said, as a currently privately held company, Hilmar is EVE's God. It will be a cold day in hell, or a hot day in Iceland, before Hilmar lets anyone trammelize his baby.


To echo Mr. Doris, It doesn't matter how economically unfeasible it becomes to gank, people will still do it. Only thing that'll stop us is a full on ToS ban, and...see above.

Removed a pretty horrible post from this thread.

No, it's merely pointing out that they're playing a game and that when other people make moves in that game that they don't like, they blame everyone but themselves even though they willingly sat down at the table and proceeded to allow those moves to be made. If you move your king out in the open and end up checked by the opposite player means you made a horrible move — it does not mean that there is anything wrong with the guy checking you.

Pointing this out is not sociopathic unless you're living in some dream world where you can't distinguish between what's real and what's not.

Oh, and blaming the victim is only fallacious if the victim isn't at fault.

…and yet, they are valid targets. If they decide not to employ any kind of protection or security strategy in spite of this fact, then that is entirely their choice and their mistake.

[citation needed]

EVE actually does have a pretty big "blame the victim" mentality, but...in EVE it's warranted. You take responsibility for your own protection in EVE. It's less a matter of "looking rich in the poor neighborhood" and more like "Walking right into a SWAT active shooter deployment, aware that it's an active shooter deployment, while saying "screw you guys I gotta go to The Gap.""

I'm getting to the point of agreeing with a couple Goons. Really, if you don't like EVE...leave. You aren't the type of player we want. EVE will be better off without your existence.

By continuing to pay up that sub fee every month, you're giving CCP tacit approval of their stance on ganking. Vote with your pocketbook, and head out. Inspire others to do the same. If it's as bad as you say, the resulting sub drop will make CCP reconsider, a la Jita Riots, right?