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How we got to Null.....you can go too!
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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#21 - 2011-11-15 03:40:02 UTC
Erica Snotty wrote:
Psychophantic wrote:
Sweet, didn't realize it was so easy.

Now all the hi-sec carebears need to do is join a decently run corporation which actually has active members who share the same goals, buy some alts, spend a quarter of a year training a co-ordinated skill plan to fill the roles needed and Bob's your uncle.

Makes me wonder why there's so many people happily running lvl4's in hi-sec.


I did not say that getting into null was going to be easy. There has to be an expected level of skills & committment. Moving to null as a lonewolf can be lonely at times hence it is good to share this ambition with your corp. Eve is a multi player experience after all & what better to share this progression with your corp & have friends around you. There is much more to Eve than running level 4 missions in empire.....wait till you see your first Titan or witness an epic cap battle in null.......

********
Yes... and when that Titan or more likely just its escorts show up to visit your desecration of their space.... the "erasure" of all your carefully placed assets from the scene will be most amusing. Please get back to us and fill us in on the details of how you died in glorious fashion so the lowly highsec crowd will know how to do that too. K Thanks Bye
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#22 - 2011-11-15 03:48:25 UTC
Erica Snotty wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Erica Snotty wrote:

I say, if you want to go to Null, just do it & have fun.


Congrats!

I have some questions:

I'm curious about how active you guys are and how many of your players are dedicated Eve players? Are you guys on in substantial numbers 23/7 or do you only come on during the weekends after you've worked all week and taken care of life's responsibilities?

I guess what I'm trying to establish is what kind of time commitment are you guys having to meet with a POS that could come under seige at any moment? Afterall, we're being told that unrealistic time commitments are a myth. Being a w-space dweller, I guess I'm saying it's BS unless the guys saying it's a myth are the types that come online, ask if anything is going on and then when nothing is going on they go offline. Honestly, that's good for them that they do that. But generally, that's not really benefiting the corp in anyway since the "responsibilities" of maintaining the corp are being forced squarely on the individual or few that are committed to maintaining the corp ultimately increasing their time requirements to insanely ridiculous especially in small corps. ;) I mean, there's a lot more that is require to maintain a corp than the POS(s) they have.


Thank you for your interest.

This character is an alt as posting with my main might be asking for trouble, walls having ears and all that.

Out of our 60 player corp we see regulary 20 or so people who are the hard core of our corp. Most of these are vets in the 20-100 million SP range so would not be adverse to coming to the rescue of our POS in null if the poo did hit the fan. A call to arms would generate the entire active corp. But, and this is a big but, the POS is not the be all of our experience. It is just a vehicle to help our corp do something other than dream about null. It establishes a home away from home in null.

If the POS got wiped out, it is no big loss, we keep nothing of value there-we would just move somewhere else as most of NPC null is empty.

So to answer your question. We would defend our POS & have fun doing so, we are not just a bunch of care-bears who have left empire to go on a jolly but hey that is the fun of Eve......sometimes having a jolly is cool and this looks like our biggest adventure.

**********
Oh, I get it now.. You are really one of those idiot Dev Alts desperately trying to justify the really shytty mechanics you have in zero for enabling small and new Corps to participate in zero. Well you are going to have to do much better than to show noobs how to set up 3 to 4 Billion isk worth of assets in zero as a punching bag for the first Goon Roving gang that comes along in order to do that. Your setup has "Free Party Poppers" written all over it.
Zleon Leigh
#23 - 2011-11-15 04:20:08 UTC
OP: Define "medium sized corp"

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#24 - 2011-11-15 04:24:51 UTC
Zleon Leigh wrote:
OP: Define "medium sized corp"


if you're moving to NPC space, I'd argue the smaller the better. You can be completely under the radar as a 5-10 man corp in NPC 0.0, and enjoy all of the benefits of nullsec besides sov holding, which itself is a headache only worth pursuing for very large alliances.
Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#25 - 2011-11-15 04:53:16 UTC
BuRniZZ wrote:


Of all the alliances in Eve that holds sov, you picked RA. This leads me to believe that you don't live in 0.0 or you're at the bottom of the pile and knows nothing about 0.0. Either way, shut your dirty mouth and go back to highsec, at least the OP has some balls. And that's half of what you need in 0.0.


Hey look, the kind of person that is a great example of why ppl do NOT want to go to 0.0. Cause they have to deal with assholes like you :)

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#26 - 2011-11-15 05:09:02 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
BuRniZZ wrote:


Of all the alliances in Eve that holds sov, you picked RA. This leads me to believe that you don't live in 0.0 or you're at the bottom of the pile and knows nothing about 0.0. Either way, shut your dirty mouth and go back to highsec, at least the OP has some balls. And that's half of what you need in 0.0.


Hey look, the kind of person that is a great example of why ppl do NOT want to go to 0.0. Cause they have to deal with assholes like you :)


There's a lot more of those in highsec. Even archenemies compliment each other, joke with each other, heck even fly together in 0.0. It happens a lot between the CFC and PL, for example.
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-11-15 07:12:05 UTC
I dont stay away from null because its to hard i stay away because it sucks stinky soggy balls when compared to the fun that is WH with high traffic.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#28 - 2011-11-15 07:16:31 UTC
Trainwreck McGee wrote:
I dont stay away from null because its to hard i stay away because it sucks stinky soggy balls when compared to the fun that is WH with high traffic.


wormhole with high traffic is the same sort of anything goes, do or die environment. its just less fun for the people who actually want to build something awesome while blowing **** up and getting rich.
Erica Snotty
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-11-15 10:30:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Snotty
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Erica Snotty wrote:
Psychophantic wrote:
Sweet, didn't realize it was so easy.

Now all the hi-sec carebears need to do is join a decently run corporation which actually has active members who share the same goals, buy some alts, spend a quarter of a year training a co-ordinated skill plan to fill the roles needed and Bob's your uncle.

Makes me wonder why there's so many people happily running lvl4's in hi-sec.


I did not say that getting into null was going to be easy. There has to be an expected level of skills & committment. Moving to null as a lonewolf can be lonely at times hence it is good to share this ambition with your corp. Eve is a multi player experience after all & what better to share this progression with your corp & have friends around you. There is much more to Eve than running level 4 missions in empire.....wait till you see your first Titan or witness an epic cap battle in null.......

********
Yes... and when that Titan or more likely just its escorts show up to visit your desecration of their space.... the "erasure" of all your carefully placed assets from the scene will be most amusing. Please get back to us and fill us in on the details of how you died in glorious fashion so the lowly highsec crowd will know how to do that too. K Thanks Bye


Not to put too fine a point on things, you have not thought your response through very carefully. Do you honestly think that a huge fleet is going to amass to knock out one POS in NPC null space which is occupied by a few guys trying to scratch out a living & not particularly harming anybody.

I am completely gob smacked that because you live in null space you think that every system you occupy is owned by you, your corporation or the alliance you belong to. I have news for you- lots of people think they "owned" their space & just as quickly they were evicted, just look at the swings & tides in Dotlan.

We WILL continue to have fun in Null & if you don't like it **** OFF back to empire.
Erica Snotty
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2011-11-15 10:39:58 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Erica Snotty wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Erica Snotty wrote:

I say, if you want to go to Null, just do it & have fun.


Congrats!

I have some questions:

I'm curious about how active you guys are and how many of your players are dedicated Eve players? Are you guys on in substantial numbers 23/7 or do you only come on during the weekends after you've worked all week and taken care of life's responsibilities?

I guess what I'm trying to establish is what kind of time commitment are you guys having to meet with a POS that could come under seige at any moment? Afterall, we're being told that unrealistic time commitments are a myth. Being a w-space dweller, I guess I'm saying it's BS unless the guys saying it's a myth are the types that come online, ask if anything is going on and then when nothing is going on they go offline. Honestly, that's good for them that they do that. But generally, that's not really benefiting the corp in anyway since the "responsibilities" of maintaining the corp are being forced squarely on the individual or few that are committed to maintaining the corp ultimately increasing their time requirements to insanely ridiculous especially in small corps. ;) I mean, there's a lot more that is require to maintain a corp than the POS(s) they have.


Thank you for your interest.

This character is an alt as posting with my main might be asking for trouble, walls having ears and all that.

Out of our 60 player corp we see regulary 20 or so people who are the hard core of our corp. Most of these are vets in the 20-100 million SP range so would not be adverse to coming to the rescue of our POS in null if the poo did hit the fan. A call to arms would generate the entire active corp. But, and this is a big but, the POS is not the be all of our experience. It is just a vehicle to help our corp do something other than dream about null. It establishes a home away from home in null.

If the POS got wiped out, it is no big loss, we keep nothing of value there-we would just move somewhere else as most of NPC null is empty.

So to answer your question. We would defend our POS & have fun doing so, we are not just a bunch of care-bears who have left empire to go on a jolly but hey that is the fun of Eve......sometimes having a jolly is cool and this looks like our biggest adventure.

**********
Oh, I get it now.. You are really one of those idiot Dev Alts desperately trying to justify the really shytty mechanics you have in zero for enabling small and new Corps to participate in zero. Well you are going to have to do much better than to show noobs how to set up 3 to 4 Billion isk worth of assets in zero as a punching bag for the first Goon Roving gang that comes along in order to do that. Your setup has "Free Party Poppers" written all over it.


This thread belongs to me. It is in no way connected with a CCP Dev in any way. I was only sharing an experience of getting into Null with the forum members. I am sorry that your fantasy of a deeper CCP involvement has just evaporated.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#31 - 2011-11-15 12:44:55 UTC
Don't sell yourself short. When you get good at something you make it look easy. Getting to the point where you could pull this off, knowing what to plan and how to plan it, having a group of people who were reliable and capable...these things were not easy, I'm sure. They had to have taken time and effort. Even the execution of your plan had to have engaged involvement and dedication to the proposition. Once you do the hard work, yeah, it gets easy. Well done!

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#32 - 2011-11-15 12:45:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Pok Nibin
Comrade Commizzar wrote:

********
Yes... and when that Titan or more likely just its escorts show up to visit your desecration of their space.... the "erasure" of all your carefully placed assets from the scene will be most amusing. Please get back to us and fill us in on the details of how you died in glorious fashion so the lowly highsec crowd will know how to do that too. K Thanks Bye


What compels people to post such idiocy all the while feeling clever? Maybe we'll never know. Maybe we already do.

Serene Repose's thread about moving from hi to null is full of responses that pretend people like this just aren't in the game. Priceless. Regardless, they'll always tip their hands. That's the nature of puerile bravado. EEK! How many times did "curb stomp" appear in this thread? My day isn't complete till I've seen some suburban cracker street smack.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Big Bad Mofo
Doomheim
#33 - 2011-11-15 13:06:26 UTC
seriously why are people trying to force people to go to null?
Erica Snotty
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-11-15 13:38:30 UTC
Big Bad Mofo wrote:
seriously why are people trying to force people to go to null?


If you can find anything in my post that forces people to do this then you fail at reading comprehension. I'm only saying how we did the move from hi-sec to null-sec.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-11-15 13:40:07 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Erica Snotty wrote:
This character is an alt as posting with my main might be asking for trouble, walls having ears and all that.

Good call. You MUST keep a low profile because it only takes one jerky corp to make your lives miserable. And you'll need a PVP wing. Doesn't have to be your corp, but make friends or have a merc corp on stand-by.

But most importantly KEEP A LOW PROFILE and do not attract attention to yourselves.

I sincerely wish you guys the best.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Erica Snotty
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2011-11-15 13:45:23 UTC
Zleon Leigh wrote:
OP: Define "medium sized corp"


15+ ACTIVE members each evening.
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#37 - 2011-11-15 17:16:30 UTC
Erica Snotty wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Erica Snotty wrote:
Psychophantic wrote:
Sweet, didn't realize it was so easy.

Now all the hi-sec carebears need to do is join a decently run corporation which actually has active members who share the same goals, buy some alts, spend a quarter of a year training a co-ordinated skill plan to fill the roles needed and Bob's your uncle.

Makes me wonder why there's so many people happily running lvl4's in hi-sec.


I did not say that getting into null was going to be easy. There has to be an expected level of skills & committment. Moving to null as a lonewolf can be lonely at times hence it is good to share this ambition with your corp. Eve is a multi player experience after all & what better to share this progression with your corp & have friends around you. There is much more to Eve than running level 4 missions in empire.....wait till you see your first Titan or witness an epic cap battle in null.......

********
Yes... and when that Titan or more likely just its escorts show up to visit your desecration of their space.... the "erasure" of all your carefully placed assets from the scene will be most amusing. Please get back to us and fill us in on the details of how you died in glorious fashion so the lowly highsec crowd will know how to do that too. K Thanks Bye


Not to put too fine a point on things, you have not thought your response through very carefully. Do you honestly think that a huge fleet is going to amass to knock out one POS in NPC null space which is occupied by a few guys trying to scratch out a living & not particularly harming anybody.

I am completely gob smacked that because you live in null space you think that every system you occupy is owned by you, your corporation or the alliance you belong to. I have news for you- lots of people think they "owned" their space & just as quickly they were evicted, just look at the swings & tides in Dotlan.

We WILL continue to have fun in Null & if you don't like it **** OFF back to empire.

*****************

"Do you honestly think that a huge fleet is going to amass to knock out one POS in NPC null space which is occupied by a few guys trying to scratch out a living & not particularly harming anybody."
YES, ABSOLUTELY... AND JUST FOR LULZ!

" I have news for you- lots of people think they "owned" their space & just as quickly they were evicted, just look at the swings & tides in Dotlan."

Do us a favor and show us on Dotlan what part you own...
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#38 - 2011-11-15 17:18:14 UTC
Erica Snotty wrote:
Zleon Leigh wrote:
OP: Define "medium sized corp"


15+ ACTIVE members each evening.

**********

What he means is "bite sized" tasty bits for light entertainment for an evening in zero.
BuRniZZ
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2011-11-15 19:22:21 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
BuRniZZ wrote:


Of all the alliances in Eve that holds sov, you picked RA. This leads me to believe that you don't live in 0.0 or you're at the bottom of the pile and knows nothing about 0.0. Either way, shut your dirty mouth and go back to highsec, at least the OP has some balls. And that's half of what you need in 0.0.


Hey look, the kind of person that is a great example of why ppl do NOT want to go to 0.0. Cause they have to deal with assholes like you :)



Hey look, the kind of person that is a great example of why people do NOT want to read the Eve-O forums. Cause they have to deal with faceless npc corp alts like you.

Live in 0.0 and know what you're talking about instead of being bitter that people can kill your ships, and I'll put on a smile for you. :)
Erica Snotty
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2011-11-16 08:09:53 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Erica Snotty wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Erica Snotty wrote:
Psychophantic wrote:
Sweet, didn't realize it was so easy.

Now all the hi-sec carebears need to do is join a decently run corporation which actually has active members who share the same goals, buy some alts, spend a quarter of a year training a co-ordinated skill plan to fill the roles needed and Bob's your uncle.

Makes me wonder why there's so many people happily running lvl4's in hi-sec.


I did not say that getting into null was going to be easy. There has to be an expected level of skills & committment. Moving to null as a lonewolf can be lonely at times hence it is good to share this ambition with your corp. Eve is a multi player experience after all & what better to share this progression with your corp & have friends around you. There is much more to Eve than running level 4 missions in empire.....wait till you see your first Titan or witness an epic cap battle in null.......

********
Yes... and when that Titan or more likely just its escorts show up to visit your desecration of their space.... the "erasure" of all your carefully placed assets from the scene will be most amusing. Please get back to us and fill us in on the details of how you died in glorious fashion so the lowly highsec crowd will know how to do that too. K Thanks Bye


Not to put too fine a point on things, you have not thought your response through very carefully. Do you honestly think that a huge fleet is going to amass to knock out one POS in NPC null space which is occupied by a few guys trying to scratch out a living & not particularly harming anybody.

I am completely gob smacked that because you live in null space you think that every system you occupy is owned by you, your corporation or the alliance you belong to. I have news for you- lots of people think they "owned" their space & just as quickly they were evicted, just look at the swings & tides in Dotlan.

We WILL continue to have fun in Null & if you don't like it **** OFF back to empire.

*****************

"Do you honestly think that a huge fleet is going to amass to knock out one POS in NPC null space which is occupied by a few guys trying to scratch out a living & not particularly harming anybody."
YES, ABSOLUTELY... AND JUST FOR LULZ!

" I have news for you- lots of people think they "owned" their space & just as quickly they were evicted, just look at the swings & tides in Dotlan."

Do us a favor and show us on Dotlan what part you own...


Your an Idiot- nobody owns NPC space. CCP put it there so people like me can stick 2 fingers up at you & tell you to get ******.