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Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth
Imperium Technologies
Sigma Grindset
#301 - 2013-09-19 09:18:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth
baltec1 wrote:
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:
typical flame on thread the OP makes a valid point and the rest of you blatantly avoid the point in question and blar blar blar rubbish.

Ganking is out of control deal with it.

In cases of gankage go to http://www.samaritans.org they are there to help you help your selfShocked


Barge kills are at a record low.

Around 40 freighters are ganked out of 500,000 to 1,000,000 trips made a month.


Where is all of this out of control ganking?


You nit pick needlessly and apply your BS as so called claimed facts you take one instance and proclaim said instance to be the general rule you fail sir LOL FAIL I SAY FAILLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#302 - 2013-09-19 09:22:11 UTC
Twylla wrote:
People shooting people is a game. There are places for it. Lowsec, Nulsec. Wars, Duels. However, one has to ask the question 'are these people sick' when it comes to nonconsentual combat (highsec) specifically targeting non-threat targets (industrialists) via metagame exploitation, especially at the current levels it is taking place, and for no reason other than for the sake of doing it.


Null is the worst place in the game, it's filled with zombies, bots and delusional carebares who believe they are elite pvp'ers, and they are all controlled by ******** space megalomaniacs with asperger syndrome. Hi-sec is the best place in the game, you can't get hot dropped, no blobs and gate camps and you are close to the major trade hubs, low-sec is not bad... it's not hi-sec, but still way better then null.

If you industrialist/miners don't like getting ganked, i would suggest you **** off to null and live with the freaks, because I'm not leaving hi-sec.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#303 - 2013-09-19 09:23:28 UTC
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:
You nit pick needlessly and apply your BS as so called claimed facts you take one instance and proclaim said instand to be the general rule you fail sir LOL FAIL I SAY FAILLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

NO! He is HELPING CPP... can't your read? Silly troll...

/sarcasm

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth
Imperium Technologies
Sigma Grindset
#304 - 2013-09-19 09:25:06 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:
You nit pick needlessly and apply your BS as so called claimed facts you take one instance and proclaim said instand to be the general rule you fail sir LOL FAIL I SAY FAILLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

NO! He is HELPING CPP... can't your read? Silly troll...

/sarcasm


I like it Lol
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#305 - 2013-09-19 09:25:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Twylla
dexington wrote:
Twylla wrote:
People shooting people is a game. There are places for it. Lowsec, Nulsec. Wars, Duels. However, one has to ask the question 'are these people sick' when it comes to nonconsentual combat (highsec) specifically targeting non-threat targets (industrialists) via metagame exploitation, especially at the current levels it is taking place, and for no reason other than for the sake of doing it.


Null is the worst place in the game, it's filled with zombies, bots and delusional carebares who believe they are elite pvp'ers, and they are all controlled by ******** space megalomaniacs with asperger syndrome. Hi-sec is the best place in the game, you can't get hot dropped, no blobs and gate camps and you are close to the major trade hubs, low-sec is not bad... it's not hi-sec, but still way better then null.

If you industrialist/miners don't like getting ganked, i would suggest you **** off to null and live with the freaks, because I'm not leaving hi-sec.




Funny. Every corp in nulsec I've been in that's gone into a nulsec alliance was thrown under the bus into some border-zone and forced to PVP 20 hours a day, except the CEO and couple directors handling the cap ship production. Nobody else had time to 'get their indy on'.

They were pumped for their pvp'ers, then ejected.

So it's no better out there. They just want you to roam/blob. "Miners are freeloaders." I see all to often.

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#306 - 2013-09-19 09:26:32 UTC
Twylla wrote:

People shooting people is a game. There are places for it. Lowsec, Nulsec. Wars, Duels.


Disagree, this is EvE. No where is safe, highsec should be on that list. Sure there should always be consequences, but you imply that the option for highsec combat should not be there. Correct me if I misunderstood your intent.

Twylla wrote:

However, one has to ask the question 'are these people sick' when it comes to nonconsentual combat (highsec)

No, I don’t have to ask that question. They are playing a game, this is not real life. As to “nonconsetual” again, this is part and parcel of EvE, non-consensual combat does not exist in EvE online, you agree to it by logging in.
I think this attitude is the main reason that people complain about ganking, there is a sense of (I hate to use this word, but I cant think of a better one) entitlement, that people should be just left alone to do their own thing. There is no such thing as non-consensual in EvE, everything from mining to nullsec CTA’s is against other people. When you mine you are in direct competition with other miners.

I mine a lot on my alt. I fly a throw away retriever, its fitted with cheap modules and cheap drones. If it gets blown, in all honestly I couldn’t care less. The simple reason for that is that if it does go bang, its because I wasn’t at my keyboard (I occasionally go AFK for a smoke when I'm mining). The thing is, I'm ok with that. Its my fault for not being at my desk and it’s a cost I am prepared for.

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth
Imperium Technologies
Sigma Grindset
#307 - 2013-09-19 09:29:16 UTC
Mythrandier wrote:
Twylla wrote:

People shooting people is a game. There are places for it. Lowsec, Nulsec. Wars, Duels.


Disagree, this is EvE. No where is safe, highsec should be on that list. Sure there should always be consequences, but you imply that the option for highsec combat should not be there. Correct me if I misunderstood your intent.

Twylla wrote:

However, one has to ask the question 'are these people sick' when it comes to nonconsentual combat (highsec)

No, I don’t have to ask that question. They are playing a game, this is not real life. As to “nonconsetual” again, this is part and parcel of EvE, non-consensual combat does not exist in EvE online, you agree to it by logging in.
I think this attitude is the main reason that people complain about ganking, there is a sense of (I hate to use this word, but I cant think of a better one) entitlement, that people should be just left alone to do their own thing. There is no such thing as non-consensual in EvE, everything from mining to nullsec CTA’s is against other people. When you mine you are in direct competition with other miners.

I mine a lot on my alt. I fly a throw away retriever, its fitted with cheap modules and cheap drones. If it gets blown, in all honestly I couldn’t care less. The simple reason for that is that if it does go bang, its because I wasn’t at my keyboard (I occasionally go AFK for a smoke when I'm mining). The thing is, I'm ok with that. Its my fault for not being at my desk and it’s a cost I am prepared for.


OH GOD I hate people who break up quots to put their lame point across it is so stupid and compleatly anal
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#308 - 2013-09-19 09:33:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Twylla
Mythrandier wrote:

No, I don’t have to ask that question. They are playing a game, this is not real life. As to “nonconsetual” again, this is part and parcel of EvE, non-consensual combat does not exist in EvE online, you agree to it by logging in.



Do you consent to sex every time you wake up in the morning? It's a part and parcel of life, and nobody's stopping them from just taking it from you. Just because the mechanics allow it doesn't make it automatically consentual.

It's a game, but there's a designated 'green zone'. Ganking is a player-emergent behavior that is not supported by CCP except by not directly addressing it.

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#309 - 2013-09-19 09:34:19 UTC
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:
OH GOD I hate people who break up quots to put their lame point across


Thats nice.

Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:

it is so stupid and compleatly anal



I hate people who have to resort to ad hominen attacks because they have no valid counter argument.

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#310 - 2013-09-19 09:38:02 UTC
Twylla wrote:

Do you consent to sex every time you wake up in the morning? It's a part and parcel of life, and nobody's stopping them from just taking it from you. Just because the mechanics allow it doesn't make it automatically consentual.


Its a game, not real life. Real life does not come with a TOC when you first "log in"


Twylla wrote:

It's a game, but there's a designated 'green zone'. Ganking is a player-emergent behavior that is not supported by CCP except by not directly addressing it.


There is? I thought that ganking in the newbies system was frwoned upon, but that was it.

Where is this "green zone?"

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth
Imperium Technologies
Sigma Grindset
#311 - 2013-09-19 09:39:30 UTC
Mythrandier wrote:
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:
OH GOD I hate people who break up quots to put their lame point across


Thats nice.

Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:

it is so stupid and compleatly anal



I hate people who have to resort to ad hominen attacks because they have no valid counter argument.


Ladfies and genlemen I give you butt hurtage at it's finest cry me a river dude.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#312 - 2013-09-19 09:42:19 UTC
Mythrandier wrote:
I mine a lot on my alt. I fly a throw away retriever, its fitted with cheap modules and cheap drones. If it gets blown, in all honestly I couldn’t care less. The simple reason for that is that if it does go bang, its because I wasn’t at my keyboard (I occasionally go AFK for a smoke when I'm mining). The thing is, I'm ok with that. Its my fault for not being at my desk and it’s a cost I am prepared for.

It's not about the occasional suicide gank on the untanked AFK miner... it's about min/maxing ships specifically to hunt miners, and other "easy targets"... that's where the real problem is, and that's what CCP them self don't think is "desired gameplay", hence all the nerfing.

My question here is: Is the rest of the game so damn boring, unattractive or (maybe even) too hard for some people, that the only way they get their kicks is to pick off low hanging fruit?

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Lady Areola Fappington
#313 - 2013-09-19 09:46:09 UTC
Twylla wrote:


1. One does not need a professional license to correctly associate a behavioral pattern to a dictionary definition. One does, however, to prescribe treatment or to establish a record by which the person may claim status such as disability. Further, it's obvious you are trolling in an attempt to invoke fear of some violation, which has failed.

2. Using the term 'antisocial' in an environment discussion on the internet begs the fallacious and assinine argument that the behaviour in question is 'social' in nature due to their interaction with victims. Ergo, I selected a deprecated term which doesn't bait the arguement.

3. People who play EVE are real people, and exhibit human behavior in their interactions with others in a virtual environment. Whether or not an assessed behavioral pattern exists in both virtual behavior and the 'real life' behavior of the same person is highly dependant on the individual.

4. You can not, even by rhetoric, associate delusional psychosis on a person without assessing the real person to determine if non-normal behavior is present.

5. Go back to school. You are not the smartest person in the room.




1. One does need a license to diagnose. The statement "there is no shortage of genuine sociopaths" implies that you are competently credentialed to diagnose "genuine sociopaths".

2. Your choice of terminology, inaccurate as is, was meant to bait an emotional reaction. "Sociopathy" has a lot more "emotional hit" than ASPD. Also, it's spelled asinine and argument.

3. Fallacious argument. Playing CoD does not make you a Special Forces soldier. Playing the terrorist in CounterStrike does not make one Al Quaeda. Playing a bad guy in EVE does not make one an ASPD sufferer.

4. Sure I can. Failure to differentiate reality from fantasy is a core component of delusional psychosis. EVE is fantasy. Associating someone's behaviors in a fantasy game (specifically, when those behaviours follow the rules of said fantasy game) to their RL mental health indicates a loss of firm grasp between reality and fantasy, by the assumee. I met a young man who was once convinced that anyone who beat him at checkers was an evil robot. It's a similar case.

5. I've finished my PhD., but thank you. Urging others to seek further education is never a wrong thing to do. However, I never once mentioned being "the smartest person in the room" If this is something you may have thought I typed, I would recommend seeking a mental health professional. I can't make a diagnosis, but that's two symptoms delusional psychosis (Seeing or hearing things that aren't really there.)

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#314 - 2013-09-19 10:13:05 UTC
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:
Mythrandier wrote:
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:
OH GOD I hate people who break up quots to put their lame point across


Thats nice.

Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:

it is so stupid and compleatly anal



I hate people who have to resort to ad hominen attacks because they have no valid counter argument.


Ladfies and genlemen I give you butt hurtage at it's finest cry me a river dude.


I rest my case, thanks for making it so easy man Big smile

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth
Imperium Technologies
Sigma Grindset
#315 - 2013-09-19 10:21:27 UTC
HA! HA! HA! LolLolLol
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#316 - 2013-09-19 10:21:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
That example was... disturbing... I refuse to comment on it any further.

...actually, to me, the whole mess seams more like kids on a playground: There are the big boys doing their stuff, and the little ones doing theirs... and then there are the sorry little sods in the middle (gankers)... they don't quite cut it playing with the big guys, so, out of frustration and boredom, they pick on the little ones.

So, what do you think, who has to go home early today, hm? Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#317 - 2013-09-19 10:22:23 UTC
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:
typical flame on thread the OP makes a valid point and the rest of you blatantly avoid the point in question and blar blar blar rubbish.

Ganking is out of control deal with it.

In cases of gankage go to http://www.samaritans.org they are there to help you help your selfShocked


One could also argue that mining in highsec is out of control & we are doing our part to maintain balance.

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#318 - 2013-09-19 10:25:12 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
One could also argue that mining in highsec is out of control & we are doing our part to maintain balance.

Even though nobody asked you to, nore gives a lick... that's ego. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#319 - 2013-09-19 10:28:17 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
One could also argue that mining in highsec is out of control & we are doing our part to maintain balance.

Even though nobody asked you to, nore gives a lick... that's ego. Blink


That's the beauty of the sandbox, no one has to ask them. They see something they decide is wrong, they go do something about it.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#320 - 2013-09-19 10:30:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Twylla wrote:
The discussion is a little moot. In EVE, there is no shortage of genuine sociopaths.

If you undock, you do so acknowledging that there is a strong culture where committing to a suicide attack (of any scale) against an otherwise 'unattractive' or 'unprofitable' target isn't just normal, it's encouraged.
…which would mean that the guys who are adamantly opposed to ganking are the sociopaths since they can't conform to the cultural norms.

Quote:
Taken into the environment of EVE Online, highsec ganking (Nonconsentual combat in a declared 'safe zone) would correlate appropriately to an 'immoral act'.
Except that it's a game without any safe zones and nonconsensual combat is perhaps the defining characteristic of this game. So the “immoral” act would be to rage against such combat, and the combat itself is as “immoral” as taking a pawn in chess or buying Boardwalk in Monopoly.

The only thing that makes highsec differ from other areas in the game is that aggression comes at a cost. Undocking is still consenting to combat, but you're betting against other people's miserliness that they won't go after you this time. Sometimes, you lose that bet, and that has nothing to do with morals but with them finding something that offsets that cost, which makes you worth going after. Is it worth losing a rook in chess? If it opens up a checkmate position, yes. Is it worth going to jail without passing go? If it lets you skip out on landing on high-rent spaces, yes.

Quote:
People shooting people is a game. There are places for it. Lowsec, Nulsec.
…and highsec. It is no less a combat arena than any other part of space.

And yes, the inability in some people to distinguish between game and real life — for instance by trying to equate rape to legal game behaviour — indeed indicates that they're suffering from some kind of cognitive and/or psychological abnormality.

Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:
Ganking is out of control deal with it.
…and you have the current and historical statistics to prove this, I presume?