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Combat anoms> Dominix/Gila/Ishtar, whats the next grade of ships? (Angels)
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Robbin Sund
#1 - 2013-09-18 05:02:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Robbin Sund
I currently sit in a Dominix, can switch to Gila and rather soon Ishtar.
Is this the "best" ships, or is there a next grade of ships, Gallente perferd but anything else is welcome as well.
Either basic for anti-angel , or can build around it would be ideal for now.

You have the vexors and so on, then its myrm, then its those 3 (if I understood it right they are almost equal or close to eachother)

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Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-09-18 06:26:28 UTC
There's always a next one, if you are ready to lose more money when your ship gets exploded.
You could have a look at T3 cruisers ?
Also, sentinels are good but maybe you'd have more fun with a more mobile style ?
Robbin Sund
#3 - 2013-09-18 06:36:07 UTC
Tao Dolcino wrote:
There's always a next one, if you are ready to lose more money when your ship gets exploded.
You could have a look at T3 cruisers ?
Also, sentinels are good but maybe you'd have more fun with a more mobile style ?


Yeah, thats why I am trying to see whats next on the chain, gallente or others, (perferd gallente due to most skills in it, can use drones, no need for sentries)

T3 cruisers, Proteus is it worth flying for PVE compared to those I named in the topic?
I have not understood it yet but looked at it a few times, stating to have 0 of high/mid/low and superlow shields and so on, is it based on whatever special rigs I put in it?

Besides the t3 cruisers, is there a next kind of ship, from those I just listed?

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Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-09-18 07:06:22 UTC
If you are talking about 0.0 anoms then sentry carrier is at the top of the food chain.
Robbin Sund
#5 - 2013-09-18 07:23:18 UTC
Enduros wrote:
If you are talking about 0.0 anoms then sentry carrier is at the top of the food chain.


How high can a sentry carrier go up and clear solo? not sure if I am saying this right.

6/10 went fine, 6/10 lvl1 (hidden) was a bit harder and took a while, due to large groups per wave with my shitskills, can I be expected to clear 8-9-10/10s lvl 0 alone? or so on?

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Epithal
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-09-18 08:30:43 UTC
You can clear all the anomalies solo with the Dominix. Sentry carrier is the most isk efficient anomaly runner and should stick to mostly sanctums to put the dps into use. Lower end sites are too much warping around for carriers, though still excellent isk.

You can clear a good portion of the complexes solo with the Dominix too, in a sniping mjd setup.
Epithal
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-09-18 08:33:39 UTC
A good way to run anoms in a Dominix is to go crazy with drone mods and fit the thing to snipe at 140km. Then just warp to 100 and blap the anoms slow but steady.
Robbin Sund
#8 - 2013-09-18 08:53:10 UTC
Epithal wrote:
You can clear all the anomalies solo with the Dominix. Sentry carrier is the most isk efficient anomaly runner and should stick to mostly sanctums to put the dps into use. Lower end sites are too much warping around for carriers, though still excellent isk.

You can clear a good portion of the complexes solo with the Dominix too, in a sniping mjd setup.



So, with other words max drones and the ship itself is the best thing I can do here?
What kind of hps/dps do one need for sanctums?
I have been trying to read up on the different anoms but apperantly all is out of date or my anoms are completely different from the ones I can find info on.

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Epithal
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-09-18 09:08:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Epithal
VS angels:

Bouncer II

3x omnidir
5x drone damage amp
5x drone link augmentor

2x sensor booster

Large armor rep
Explosive hardener
Explosive rig
Auxiliary nano pump
Nanobot injector

This pushes the bouncer damage and projection to 150km along your targeting range. Rats will only hit you with explosive missiles except for seraphim and cherubim if you allow them at range (bad warp in landing you 70km from rats). EM is high resisted vs seraphims, put cherubs down before they reach 40km.

750 dps bouncers at 150km.

Train in order:
• sentry V
• drone interfacing V
• battleship V
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#10 - 2013-09-18 17:52:25 UTC
The Sin might be an option before you get to a carrier.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#11 - 2013-09-18 19:19:41 UTC
Robbin Sund wrote:
T3 cruisers, Proteus is it worth flying for PVE compared to those I named in the topic?
I have not understood it yet but looked at it a few times, stating to have 0 of high/mid/low and superlow shields and so on, is it based on whatever special rigs I put in it?


You know that t3 is just empty hull and slots and bonuses and even its look come from subsystems you put on it, right?

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Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-09-18 19:32:31 UTC
Robbin Sund wrote:
Enduros wrote:
If you are talking about 0.0 anoms then sentry carrier is at the top of the food chain.


How high can a sentry carrier go up and clear solo? not sure if I am saying this right.

6/10 went fine, 6/10 lvl1 (hidden) was a bit harder and took a while, due to large groups per wave with my shitskills, can I be expected to clear 8-9-10/10s lvl 0 alone? or so on?


These are DED and signature sites you talk about, not anomalies. Carriers can't enter them. A dominix can probably clear a 7/10 and 8/10 with skills and if you know what you are doing. But after that you will need more tank to solo them. I myself use a rattlesnake for those, works nice. A battleship is your best option for the sites because of MJD, large capacitor and big ehp buffer.

Most sites will have web towers which means you can't get speed with a cruiser and if you aren't prepared to tank everything your buffer will not hold. DIfferent story with T3 ships such as a tengu, as they tank crazy. But T3s are vulnerable to neutralizing towers and may also have problems with web towers, especially if you using the higher DPS short range weapons.

Another thing to note is that some 8/10 and 10/10 sites have in them bosses and structures that have crazy tank. You need to kill them for the loot. Some need 2 strong dps ships to even crack the tank, 3 if you want to manage in a reasonable time. Most people that talk about "soloing" those are actually running more then 1 account to do them.
Robbin Sund
#13 - 2013-09-19 05:05:19 UTC
Enduros wrote:
Robbin Sund wrote:
Enduros wrote:
If you are talking about 0.0 anoms then sentry carrier is at the top of the food chain.


How high can a sentry carrier go up and clear solo? not sure if I am saying this right.

6/10 went fine, 6/10 lvl1 (hidden) was a bit harder and took a while, due to large groups per wave with my shitskills, can I be expected to clear 8-9-10/10s lvl 0 alone? or so on?


These are DED and signature sites you talk about, not anomalies. Carriers can't enter them. A dominix can probably clear a 7/10 and 8/10 with skills and if you know what you are doing. But after that you will need more tank to solo them. I myself use a rattlesnake for those, works nice. A battleship is your best option for the sites because of MJD, large capacitor and big ehp buffer.

Most sites will have web towers which means you can't get speed with a cruiser and if you aren't prepared to tank everything your buffer will not hold. DIfferent story with T3 ships such as a tengu, as they tank crazy. But T3s are vulnerable to neutralizing towers and may also have problems with web towers, especially if you using the higher DPS short range weapons.

Another thing to note is that some 8/10 and 10/10 sites have in them bosses and structures that have crazy tank. You need to kill them for the loot. Some need 2 strong dps ships to even crack the tank, 3 if you want to manage in a reasonable time. Most people that talk about "soloing" those are actually running more then 1 account to do them.


So this. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cosmic_Anomaly is not the anoms I find without scanning?
Or is the wiki wrong?
The info they give dont seem to fit the anoms I do, so was curious, besides the name thats correct.

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Robbin Sund
#14 - 2013-09-19 05:05:42 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Robbin Sund wrote:
T3 cruisers, Proteus is it worth flying for PVE compared to those I named in the topic?
I have not understood it yet but looked at it a few times, stating to have 0 of high/mid/low and superlow shields and so on, is it based on whatever special rigs I put in it?


You know that t3 is just empty hull and slots and bonuses and even its look come from subsystems you put on it, right?


Even the looks?
Sounds neat! was always curious how they worked, thanks. : )

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#15 - 2013-09-19 05:43:43 UTC
Robbin Sund wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Robbin Sund wrote:
T3 cruisers, Proteus is it worth flying for PVE compared to those I named in the topic?
I have not understood it yet but looked at it a few times, stating to have 0 of high/mid/low and superlow shields and so on, is it based on whatever special rigs I put in it?


You know that t3 is just empty hull and slots and bonuses and even its look come from subsystems you put on it, right?


Even the looks?
Sounds neat! was always curious how they worked, thanks. : )


The proteus can be configured in all sorts of ways. As a droneboat, its fairly competitive with the ishtar, but the last patch made the ishtar an obviously better pure droneboat. I'm actually using the proteus in null because its fairly tanky, and it can be reconfigured for easy null movement (covops cloaking and the nullifier), and it doesn't need to be a droneboat all the time.

Ishtar has better bandwidth, locks more targets, has better range, drone control range, drone tracking and a larger dronebay.
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#16 - 2013-09-19 08:36:46 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
The proteus can be configured in all sorts of ways. As a droneboat, its fairly competitive with the ishtar, but the last patch made the ishtar an obviously better pure droneboat. I'm actually using the proteus in null because its fairly tanky, and it can be reconfigured for easy null movement (covops cloaking and the nullifier), and it doesn't need to be a droneboat all the time.

I'd like to add that after recent medium rails buff gun Proteus is quite competitive vs. sentry Dominix when running L4 missions. Although for anoms it would be probably less efficient.
Andrea Keuvo
Rusty Pricks
#17 - 2013-09-19 22:28:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Keuvo
For Angels 0.0 anoms isk grinding a sentry carrier is top of the food chain, followed closely by a pimped out Mach. The new Dominix is pretty fantastic though, able to apply full dps out to 100km+

Do yourself a favor and get an alt and train it for a sentry Domi as well. 2x domis can run any Angels DED.
5iddhartha
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-09-19 23:36:01 UTC
Epithal wrote:
VS angels:


Train in order:
• sentry V
• drone interfacing V
• battleship V


I see this suggested all the time, and maybe I'm missing something, so I'll just ask... Interfacing IV to V is a 20% damage increase straight up. I get that T2 sentries have better tracking, but with the Domi bonuses, wouldn't it make sense to go Interfacing V before Sentry V?
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#19 - 2013-09-20 01:02:55 UTC
Its nearly 19% larger damage mod on a garde II, and you get 5% from the skill, and you get better tracking and longer optimal. Even with dominix ubertracking its going to be 25% improvement in dps.

I haven't looked at the damage mods on other t1 vs t2 sentries (bouncers probably matter for this discussion) but one imagines its close to the same raw increase.

If you were routinely using a tristan for PVP or something you'd take interfacing first, but if all you'll be doing for the next 2 months is farming PVE with sentries, then sentry V first for sure.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#20 - 2013-09-20 08:52:07 UTC
I suggest looking it up in EveHQ / EFT / PyFa and compare the numbers between sentry V and Interfacing V.

T2 sentries will also give you optimal and tracking.

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