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Naga is now less fail!
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#1 - 2011-11-15 09:32:25 UTC
Missile hardpoints removed.

New bonuses:

Battlecruiser Skill bonus per level:
5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage
10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret optimal range

Role Bonus:
95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Hybrid Turrets
50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Hybrid Turrets
50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Hybrid Turrets

Thankyou CCP. Now the major difference between the Naga and Talos is range vs tracking.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-11-15 09:45:47 UTC
If this is true... so happy D: no words to describe how happy... PLEASE show me something to prove this is true so I can sleep well tonight!

P.S. Maybe its OP but I still want its 4th low slot back

Ferox #1
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-11-15 09:52:40 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
If this is true... so happy D: no words to describe how happy... PLEASE show me something to prove this is true so I can sleep well tonight!

P.S. Maybe its OP but I still want its 4th low slot back


It just became a hands down better ship than Talos.......

Tornado is still king of the hill, by miles, but its better than something.
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#4 - 2011-11-15 09:53:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Frayn
Kietay Ayari wrote:
PLEASE show me something to prove this is true so I can sleep well tonight!


Load up Sisi, you lazy bìtch.

...Oh FINE, here you go.
Ishanmae
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-15 10:02:39 UTC
Looks good!

Looking forward to ginving it a try!
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-11-15 10:06:16 UTC
D: I know the tornado is better... but its better than all 3 by miles. I really have no idea why CCP did this... even when they nerfed all 4 the Tornado received the least nerfs :| But minmatar already win everything so as long as its as good as the other two races Im happy! I think a Torp Naga will be a good ratting ship if you are just trying to clear all the battleships!

Ferox #1
Noisrevbus
#7 - 2011-11-15 10:07:33 UTC
Onictus wrote:

It just became a hands down better ship than Talos.......

Tornado is still king of the hill, by miles, but its better than something.


The prowess of a straight damage bonus can't be denied, but the hands down bit is arguable.

Prior to the change, with a Rail-fit, they had about equal damage-to-reach scaling while the Talos not only retained it's tracking bonus but also remained an odd 300m/s faster and 1s more agile, ontop of having a similar or slightly better buffer even under a shield tank. With the Naga's damage-to-reach tuned up it does what it's meant to do while the Talos retain a better performance at 25% lower ranges, or 25% less damage but 25% better tracking at equal ranges; with all the aforementioned perks.

As noted initially, the general application of a straight damage bonus should not be denied though.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-11-15 10:19:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Noisrevbus wrote:
Onictus wrote:

It just became a hands down better ship than Talos.......

Tornado is still king of the hill, by miles, but its better than something.


The prowess of a straight damage bonus can't be denied, but the hands down bit is arguable.

Prior to the change, with a Rail-fit, they had about equal damage-to-reach scaling while the Talos not only retained it's tracking bonus but also remained an odd 300m/s faster and 1s more agile, ontop of having a similar or slightly better buffer even under a shield tank. With the Naga's damage-to-reach tuned up it does what it's meant to do while the Talos retain a better performance at 25% lower ranges, or 25% less damage but 25% better tracking at equal ranges; with all the aforementioned perks.

As noted initially, the general application of a straight damage bonus should not be denied though.



I'm pretty sure that with decent skills and faction fusion/phased plasma a 1400mm Tornado is quite capable of blasting the the other three hulls into structure in one volley, something you aren't going to be able to replicate with rails. On SiSi a I fit one up with a 8k buffer with a nano and ACR full rack of 1400s and a pair of gyro's it was vollying a myrm 9000 a whack into his heaviest resist....I don't have Large Projectile spec yet (I will soon).

Talos to Naga....

A rail naga with a scripted TC will be able to use anti-matter clear out to lock with 425s a comparable Talos will have to kick down to Uranium, and at those ranges, tracking frankly doesn't matter so there is a 15-20% advantage just on faction ammo.

I haven't tinkered around with Talos and spike/javelin, so I just don't know the numbers.

Talos is only better ship for ship if they are using blasters and in point range where the tracking may make up for the disadvantage its going to have by suffering more falloff past 10km.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-11-15 11:18:56 UTC
Oh get stuffed....
It's CALDARI, it should have MISSILES.
Hybrids are for gallente FFS.

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styh Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-11-15 12:04:36 UTC
2 accounts training hybrids..


*sigh
vorneus
Hub2
#11 - 2011-11-15 12:19:43 UTC
Onictus wrote:
I'm pretty sure that with decent skills and faction fusion/phased plasma a 1400mm Tornado is quite capable of blasting the the other three hulls into structure in one volley, something you aren't going to be able to replicate with rails. On SiSi a I fit one up with a 8k buffer with a nano and ACR full rack of 1400s and a pair of gyro's it was vollying a myrm 9000 a whack into his heaviest resist....I don't have Large Projectile spec yet (I will soon).


Lol if this is true.

I haven't looked into the ships in detail (read: flied them on Sisi) but it's pretty disappointing to see that yet again it seems Minny have the best of the bunch.

Bonused 8 x 1400mm arty alpha on a highly manouvreable hull? A gang of just 2/3 of these is going to be ridiculously lethal and cost effective, particularly with much better lock times than BS hulls and higher agility to GTFO. Let the instapopping commence.

-Ed

This one time, I like, totally did some stuff.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-11-15 12:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
vorneus wrote:

Bonused 8 x 1400mm arty alpha on a highly manouvreable hull? A gang of just 2/3 of these is going to be ridiculously lethal and cost effective, particularly with much better lock times than BS hulls and higher agility to GTFO. Let the instapopping commence.

-Ed



Yup their only weakness is going to be Combat Ceptors and ships that can hit back.

Try that crap on a up armor BS, they are going to clean your clock, sure you'll likely get away but if the ship can tank the alpha, you best be somewhere else because the next shot.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-11-15 12:49:44 UTC
well now I have a reason to use large hybrids. ty CCP.

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-11-15 12:55:25 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
well now I have a reason to use large hybrids. ty CCP.



I still don't have a single point in Caldari ship command.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-11-15 12:58:47 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
well now I have a reason to use large hybrids. ty CCP.



I still don't have a single point in Caldari ship command.



well... now that I think about it I can also fly the tornado.


which means that while I still have a reason to use large hybrids (no, the talos wasn't a good enough reason), the tornado is still better.

Straight

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-11-15 14:28:14 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
D: I know the tornado is better... but its better than all 3 by miles. I really have no idea why CCP did this... even when they nerfed all 4 the Tornado received the least nerfs :| But minmatar already win everything so as long as its as good as the other two races Im happy! I think a Torp Naga will be a good ratting ship if you are just trying to clear all the battleships!



Because diversity in a game is to have a lot of ships available but most players flying minmatar.

Balance by CCP Roll
The Underdark
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-11-15 14:41:28 UTC
soo we have 2 ships with hybrid bonus's? in other-words missile users get nothing this expansion, way to leave people out.

Caldari specialize in missiles, it's only proper that missiles should be on it
Phyress
Isumi Industries
#18 - 2011-11-15 14:55:04 UTC
One one hand, at least we're not splitting weapon bonuses anymore.

On the other hand, I would have preferred it to be a torp boat for pure capkiller potential.

On the secret third hand, I think this means I'll never see another Ferox in space...Sad
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-11-15 15:03:22 UTC
Phyress wrote:
One one hand, at least we're not splitting weapon bonuses anymore.

On the other hand, I would have preferred it to be a torp boat for pure capkiller potential.

On the secret third hand, I think this means I'll never see another Ferox in space...Sad

imho the blaster fitted naga can do nearly as much dmg as the torp fitted one especially with the new dmg bonus

Ferox isnt used anyway, new bc wont change a thing with that.
The Underdark
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-11-15 15:28:10 UTC
I'm fighting this change for the Missile users, If this goes through they get nothing this winter.

Caldari is a missile race, at least give them hardpoints back, if not any bonus's.
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