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Tradax
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-09-18 10:30:58 UTC
With the recent changes I need a Typhoon setup for PVE using Cruise Missiles. Any Takers ?

High :

6 x Arbalest Cruise Launcher

Middle :

XL Shield Booster II
Kinetic Hardener II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Low :

4 x BCU II
1 x DCU II

Above is just to give a general idea. Mix and match as you like. Would also like to hear Rig recommendations. Ship will be used for Guristas Hubs nothing fancy.
Bobinu
Unsober
Last Picks
#2 - 2013-09-18 11:29:11 UTC
Phoon,

6 x Cruise and Drone Range Module (or tractor beam if no AB)

Invul
SBA
AB (good for getting between gates)
Paint Or Medium Shield Booster (perma run)
XLSB Or XLASB (panic run) (used on a lot of my BS fits, nice to have)

3 x BCU
2 x Drone DPS (squeeze some more dps out of sentries, kill frigs uber quick)
Brief Case
Signal Amp (more locking range, targets and scan res)

Kin Rig
2 x CCC

5 Hobs
4 Sentry (id use EM for better unbonus’d range)

Not put through EFT, pen’d out on the back of a post it note!

Paint + Precision Cruise + bonus’d Hobs = Dead frigs (you should always be able to warp out)
Also 4 Sentry means you can snipe the incoming frigs

Convo me in game to discuss if you wish
Epithal
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-09-18 12:33:11 UTC
Above fit is a good starting point. Switch rigs to warhead rigor and it's golden. Use the TP+xlsb combo.

Afterburner speed tank is really good on the phoon. The finesse is in altering between that and sentry usage for efficient missioning.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#4 - 2013-09-18 13:04:13 UTC
I'd use something like this:

[Typhoon, Shield Missions]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Warden II x4
Hobgoblin II x5

1140dps to 80km 100% pure kinetic. You can apply all that dps to Battlecruiser and Battleship rats and you can deal 990dps to Cruisers with CN Scourge. That will murder most Guristas ships extremely quickly. Has a 570dps tank against Guristas as long as your capacitor boosters last, which is a pretty big tank, might be overtanked. If you really want a prop mod you can drop the OTL II for a prop mod of choice.

It's relatively cheap except for the DG booster which is 70+ mil but it's really worth it as it gives you more tank than a regular T2 XL booster AND 60 CPU less (this is the big part). Alternatively you can drop it for a meta4 XL booster but you lose 120dps tanked, not sure if that will make a different as I don't run null hubs.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-09-18 16:45:18 UTC
Typhoon, Mr. Phoontastic

6x t2 cruise missile launcher
1x drone link

1x LMJD
2x sensor booster with targeting range script
2x cap recharger

3x cn bcs
1x pds
2x armor resist
1x large armor repairer

3x rigor rig

4x warden 2 drone
5x salvage drone

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-09-21 00:29:34 UTC
[Typhoon, armor guristas]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II

Sensor Booster II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Warden I x4
Hornet II x5


for ratting
Traedar
InterStellar Trading Syndicate
#7 - 2013-09-22 00:55:14 UTC
You are doing Cosmic Anomalies right? The Phoon and especially fleet Phoon are great for sniping cosmic anomalies by warping in at 70 km (or 100 if you have the drone range) and picking the rats off at range. The only problem is, I don't know how well Guristas project their damage.

Forget cap mods and prop mods. You will need a 2 slot tank (1 medium armor rep or large if you are real paranoid, and a Kinetic hardener). Every other slot should be dedicated to DPS, damage application and damage projection. It should be something like this:

6 T2 Cruise Launcher with Fury Cruise Missiles.
1 T2 Drone Link Augmentor.
A painter or two (2 recommended).
1-2 Omnidirectional Tracking Link.
1 Sensor Booster with targeting range script.
1 armor repper medium or large (medium if you can do it, the fitting will be tight).
1 kinetic hardener.
3 x BCU (faction or T2)
2 x T2 DDA
1 Drone scope chip (Drone control range of 90km should be good enough)
1 Warhead Rigor Catalyst
It's possible you might need a fitting rig like microprocessor overclocking. If not, then 2nd Rigor Rig but watch out the CPU might be tight.

4 x T2 Sentry of correct damage type.
A set of lights just in case.

The range on the Fury cruise should be 111 KM. You should be able to warp in at 100 km and start sniping off the battleships until the smaller ships get into drone range. Your launchers will do way more damage than your drones so you should bring some Precision and/or faction cruise missiles so you don't end up shooting furies at cruisers and frigates (fail) once the BS are gone. You should always put both painters on whatever your missiles are shooting.

I use a Fleet Phoon for Sansha rats with a fit similar to this and I get 1140 DPS total with tech 2 BCUs. The rats can barely scratch the tank from distance.

I think a setup like this would be good for about 1000 DPS with damage type completely selectable.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#8 - 2013-09-22 01:37:38 UTC
Traedar wrote:
You are doing Cosmic Anomalies right? The Phoon and especially fleet Phoon are great for sniping cosmic anomalies by warping in at 70 km (or 100 if you have the drone range) and picking the rats off at range. The only problem is, I don't know how well Guristas project their damage.

Forget cap mods and prop mods. You will need a 2 slot tank (1 medium armor rep or large if you are real paranoid, and a Kinetic hardener). Every other slot should be dedicated to DPS, damage application and damage projection. It should be something like this:

6 T2 Cruise Launcher with Fury Cruise Missiles.
1 T2 Drone Link Augmentor.
A painter or two (2 recommended).
1-2 Omnidirectional Tracking Link.
1 Sensor Booster with targeting range script.
1 armor repper medium or large (medium if you can do it, the fitting will be tight).
1 kinetic hardener.
3 x BCU (faction or T2)
2 x T2 DDA
1 Drone scope chip (Drone control range of 90km should be good enough)
1 Warhead Rigor Catalyst
It's possible you might need a fitting rig like microprocessor overclocking. If not, then 2nd Rigor Rig but watch out the CPU might be tight.

4 x T2 Sentry of correct damage type.
A set of lights just in case.

The range on the Fury cruise should be 111 KM. You should be able to warp in at 100 km and start sniping off the battleships until the smaller ships get into drone range. Your launchers will do way more damage than your drones so you should bring some Precision and/or faction cruise missiles so you don't end up shooting furies at cruisers and frigates (fail) once the BS are gone. You should always put both painters on whatever your missiles are shooting.

I use a Fleet Phoon for Sansha rats with a fit similar to this and I get 1140 DPS total with tech 2 BCUs. The rats can barely scratch the tank from distance.

I think a setup like this would be good for about 1000 DPS with damage type completely selectable.



The tank on this might be too light because Guristas are able to project their damage to 100km easily, especially the BS rats which is where most of the damage will be coming from. A shield tank will give you better tank and more damage, although slightly less damage application.
Traedar
InterStellar Trading Syndicate
#9 - 2013-09-22 15:18:43 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Traedar wrote:

Smart Stuffz...


The tank on this might be too light because Guristas are able to project their damage to 100km easily, especially the BS rats which is where most of the damage will be coming from. A shield tank will give you better tank and more damage, although slightly less damage application.


Oh okay. In that case a 3 slot shield tank is called for. Drop SeBo, 1 painter, 1 Omnnidirectional. Fit cheap deadspace booster probably large or medium, 2 hardeners. Drop the Armor tank and fit 1 Signal Amplifier (105km targeting range) and another DMG mod, or 2 signal amps for good long range. I think it's likely your third rig will have to be Processor Overclocking, but I'm not using EFT here.

The med slots you can experiment to see what you like best. The extra painter really helps your cruise missiles hit harder, dropping the BS faster. The second Omnidirectional may not be very necessary as Wardens have great range anyway. Your Warden optimal with 1 T2 omnidirectional should be around 90km which is sufficient.

BTW major volley counting is required. Bring some faction and precision cruise I think you will need them.
Tradax
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-10-02 09:40:52 UTC
A question : If I fit a Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I as one of the rig would it go through a stacking penalty with all the BCU II's in the lows ?
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#11 - 2013-10-02 10:56:12 UTC
Traedar wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Traedar wrote:

Smart Stuffz...


The tank on this might be too light because Guristas are able to project their damage to 100km easily, especially the BS rats which is where most of the damage will be coming from. A shield tank will give you better tank and more damage, although slightly less damage application.


Oh okay. In that case a 3 slot shield tank is called for. Drop SeBo, 1 painter, 1 Omnnidirectional. Fit cheap deadspace booster probably large or medium, 2 hardeners. Drop the Armor tank and fit 1 Signal Amplifier (105km targeting range) and another DMG mod, or 2 signal amps for good long range. I think it's likely your third rig will have to be Processor Overclocking, but I'm not using EFT here.

The med slots you can experiment to see what you like best. The extra painter really helps your cruise missiles hit harder, dropping the BS faster. The second Omnidirectional may not be very necessary as Wardens have great range anyway. Your Warden optimal with 1 T2 omnidirectional should be around 90km which is sufficient.

BTW major volley counting is required. Bring some faction and precision cruise I think you will need them.


That sounds alot better. You could probably get away with a T2 shield booster too. Cruise missiles (even furies) can apply full damage to BS sized mission rats so the painter isn't increasing your damage against BS, it will also be operating deep in falloff because of the range you're operating at, another OTL or another shield mod are other options you can use in that slot.

Tradax wrote:
A question : If I fit a Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I as one of the rig would it go through a stacking penalty with all the BCU II's in the lows ?


Yes it would, and because it provides the smallest bonus it is receives the highest stacking making it near useless. You will always get better performance out of a rigor or flare rig. However a T2 damage rig adds a significant amount of damage even with 4 BCUs of stacking, but unfortunately it has a very high calibration cost and makes it difficult to use other rigs.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#12 - 2013-10-02 18:35:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
with 1 DLA you wont be hitting much at 90K.

I would go with curators, better tracking and with the omni you can hit out as far as you can lock. Also, I would want the omni for the small stuff, OP has Arbelasts listed so no precision cruise missiles.

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