EVE General Discussion

Ha ha ha!

Never not Mega, I suppose. :)

That's where the new Kronos might come in handy

You win the "lul post of the day" award. 0.10 isk sent.

The barge kill that sparked this entire thread seems to have inspired more conspiracy talk from the OP than the moon landing. As Lady A. Fappington mentioned, us barge liquidators have no secrecy to our craft, so I wanted to set the record straight on what happened and how I did it. There were no tricks.

I noticed a mining op in Piekura, a .5 system that is generally pretty dangerous to mine in, should one bother to consult dotlan. The op contained an Orca mining with two Covetors and a Hulk.

I was curious and moved my warp in alt to have a scan. I don't use a cloaked warp in point. I showed up in a procurer and had him fly on over and sit within 1800 of the Hulk. A scan revealed a pretty meaty deadspace module tank on the Hulk. I normally gank alone with the warp in alt and one catalyst, but I usually can jump a second cat pilot out if A good target presents itself. Only problem was, my second cat pilot was on jump clone cooldown after participating in a really fun shoot blues event in Null.

I figured I would take a crack at the hulk with 1 cat for the fun of it, did so, hit about half armor on him before I was concorded and that was it. Had a laugh, cleared the police from the belt and waited out my crim timer.

Oddly enough the mining operation continued on, with my procurer still sitting right on their butts. I don't believe I even turned on a mining laser at any point. The hulk get repaired and came back out. Despite the fact I had already made one attempt at them, they carried on.

So, I knew the Hulk was a no-go but as soon as my crim timer ended I warped in and nailed one of the Covetors and his pod. By that point in time my Procurer had been sitting in plain sight on their butts for about 20 minutes and I had already made one attempt on their operation. They still didn't get the message and I was able to enforce the Code.

So, OP, look back on all this and see if there are any things you could have done differently to have protected your assets. There are no tricks involved. I have no cloaked assistants. You mentioned the fact that you expected to be able to just pull your Covetor into the Orca mid-gank and save yourself that way, and that I employed some exploit to make that impossible. I have no idea what the Orca hangar game mechanics are, but I can tell you all I did to that Covetor was target it and fire at it.

So, that's my part. I am not a monster. There are a lot of people in Piekura who I have not and likely will not ever gank. Believe me, I'd like to gank them, but they have taken measures which make that impossible for me to do. They have had to give up some yield to do it, and certainly playing the game actively and not going AFK is a big factor in their ability to shut me down, but the fact that some people can and do stop gankers like myself makes it so I don't really feel that bad when someone who forgoes those precautions like you did in our little exchange loses a ship.

I am not the kind of Code enforcer who relishes tears. I do however relish fun, and our little interaction out there last week was a lot of fun.

It's like "my hulk is EXSUPENSIVEUUUU so it shouldbe able to do everything I want and not be killable"

Nope.killmail

We need this for welpfleet

Or maybe structure shooting, a whole fleet of those won't even break a billion isk

Obviously 80% longer than IV!

You forgot to mention the biggest point: this fit costs a mere 3 million isk!

Which is sooo frustrating, having to spend a whole 3 million isk on a ship that will be quickly destroyed by CONCORD. Luckily, it only takes one of these bad boys to kill a well-tanked Hulk in 0.5 space. Which, despite the hefty 3 million isk price tag, is probably why Hulks are dying at a rate of 1 every 20 minutes, like clockwork.

But the most frustrating point is that it is utterly impossible for an innocent miner to warp off grid (even if aligned) and save himself from this unholy terror. After all, the two scripted Sensor Boosters means that this ship can lock you and scram you before they've even loaded the grid. I'll be honest, and admit that I don't understand all of EVE's wonky mechanics, but I believe that this ship is actually in the process of locking its target while it is still in warp, which is stupidly unfair.

Now, I don't think mining ships need another buff to their EHP (okay, maybe a small one); what they need is a way to fight back. Each ship should come standard with three auto-targeting, auto-firing turrets that are about as strong as gate guns, alongside three auto-targeting, auto-activating ECM modules. And because of the aforementioned inability to flee once a gank Catalyst enters warp, I think every mining ship should have +4 to warp strength. This is one way to combat the lone destroyers that keep slaughtering fully tanked mining ships with such ease.

Of course, the other way to combat these 800+ DPS, 3 million isk gank machines would be to simply lower the cost of mining ships. If a lone 3 million Catalyst can solo kill a Retriever, that Retriever should cost about 1.5 million isk (fully fit); likewise, I believe that it takes at most two of these ships to kill a tanked Hulk, meaning that a fully fit Hulk shouldn't cost more than about 6 million isk.

Either way will perfectly balance miners risk versus reward, but both will be best. Your move, CCP . . . your move.

lol @ u and ur scrub fit. L2EFT, ffs.

For almost the same price, you could upgrade all 16 of those blasters to Meta 2. Then you could kill TWO ships before CONCORD gets you.

Go outside and see the sun, you pasty faced moron, basement dwelling sociopath, friendless fatty, unemployed loser, ganker.

the fact that he's full of ****, is what's wrong with this.

the only thing that outmines a 0 mlu hulk is a 3 mlu mackinaw.

1339m3/min - 3mlu mack
1302m3/min - 0mlu hulk
1275m3/min - 3mlu retriever
1228m3/min - 2mlu skiff
numbers from eft.

tank your hulk, or quit bitching about it. the yield is already the second highest possible yield BEFORE you put mlus on it.

edit: totally forgot the covetor that gets 1m3/min more than the hulk if you put 2 mlus on it. 1m3, hilarious. due to truncation the likelihood of this 1m3 ever making a difference is basically nil. so they are in essence, the same yield.