Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Only 2 nanos, 1.5k tank dps. 950 dps, and I really use it :)

I hold the same sentiment towards many aspects of the black ops battleships - most notably the covert ops cloak idea. If this were a thing, I would most likely never fly any other ship in the entire game. It would be fun to fly and I would absolutely love it if they introduced it, but I have a hard time convincing myself that it would be good for the game.

How they eventually rebalance black ops is of course up to CCP, and it's their perogative to determine how far they can go without making the class overpowered. If the only thing that is pulled from this entire thread is the current shortcomings of the class in the present iteration, then I'm okay with that.



You're right, I am going to argue that those are just ratting fits. Not to diminish those kills or anything, but a target such as that comes with an entirely different set of circumstance than a capital used for combat or strategic objectives. What I am trying to make the black ops capable of doing (with reasonable resources in both ships and personnel) is drop on a small combat fleet that would be formed to take out a POCO or a deadstick POS - scenarios where the capitals would definitely be fit for PvP, and with support. These ships are multiple times harder to kill than ratting carriers, as triage and refitting all play their role.



First off, file the whole "covert ops Interdictor" under the category of game-breaking things that I really really want.

Second, I completely agree that the primary target of these ships and groups would be non-super capitals. That's how it currently is and that's how it should be. Also, there is a difference (albeit, slight) between supers being "hard to kill" and "impossible to kill" from the viewpoint of a black ops group. Without the ability to tackle or kill the target using assets that can be sent through a covert jump portal, it's a fools errand to even try. This seems a little bit ridiculous to me, although I'm sure other people will disagree with me (probably owners of supers!); I'm firmly of the opinion that in the case of David vs. Goliath, David should at least have a reason to try, and a chance to succeed.



This goes back to the original section of my original post in that black ops are being used in roles which they have no bonuses towards. They are currently lacking the ability to specialize towards a more useful or specific goal, and should be redesigned with a plethora of scenarios in mind. After all, sandbox.



The sin in that scenario would then be employing unbonused neutralizers over bonused hybrid weapons. That's a pretty heaft reduction in damage which would have to be supplied by another ship in fleet.

Finally, in regards to your comments about the Nyx, I honestly have no experience in that field in the game and could only provide uneducated guesses at best. So I'll refrain from commention, although what you're saying sounds reasonable and I'm inclined to agree.

Now if only CCP could provide some insight on which one of us is closer to the mark, or at least provide some direction in which to focus our efforts....

Pretty much this.

Yeah, the covert Sabre is just a longstanding joke of mine (its always frustrating jumping blackops BS around but then having to burn the dictor 20 jumps through gates to meet up again) and should never happen.

WRT your post, Jayne, I'm just having a lot of trouble imagining a ship that's "designed to engage small groups of supported capitals" that wouldn't be super overpowered-- a pocket sized capital-nuker that was able to dodge capital weapons but had low EHP might be OK, but not something that can engage a support fleet while it nukes caps.

Yeah, I feel yah there.

Maybe a very small generator to be fitted on t3's with a super short range and huge side effects could work or something but a full on cloaky dictor would be stupidly over powered. Or maybe even a focused infinite point on a bomber with a 10km range or something, to help force it into Smart bomb range, just to give the blops groups a CHANCE to pin down a super until the cavalry arrives. I dunno, I like the idea of the possibility being there. I just don't think there is a good way to do it without Shadoo laughing himself senseless and stationing PL blops/dictor groups all over the map.

CCP, members of the CSM, and a large number of capsuleers would disagree with you. It's not if the black ops battleships are going to get rebalanced, it's how and when.

Before we make new BLOPs I think the current ones need some love.

However, I wouldn't oppose two lines of BLOPs, EWAR/DPS and Bridging, I just think that we need work out the current ones first.

As a regular user of Black Ops in low sec I am not convinced that any change is needed. Ever since the range and fuel buff and covert cyno for T3s, they have found good use as gankers of all size targets. Hit and run (MJD+Cloak+Jump Out) with heavy dps ships is fun.

What people fail to consider is if you have slaves plugged in, you're pretty much on par with a regular BS without slaves which means you're actually dropping proper battleships on people and not some paper spaceships everyone seems to think. Yes I realise this is a hefty price for some but really, so what?

Sure, I welcome some tinkering with this class but I fear CCP will just go ahead and obliterate the niche they fill right now. As I bitter vet I can't even keep track of changes that were made to screw over working things to please those that refuse the see that stuff is actually working if you're willing to work at it.

Just putting my thoughts down, not picking on anyone. Balance welcome but not at the cost of obliterating their current use as amazing gank and flee ships. I hope they "rebalance" them like the Absolution... pretty much they same ship as before change

I already addressed this post further up. If you have specific ideas or disagreements to what I've written I'd love to hear them.

Furthermore, cyaron wars, I'm still interested in the videos if you could send them to me.

well they probably didn't use them on a daily basis pretty much since the jump range change

you know, unlike us


anyone who actually uses blops knows they are fine as they are, and are probably scared of people like you and the csm (one of which told me recently bombs have a 10km radius) suggesting changes to ships they have no idea how to use

Blops version of rokh and Hyperion thank you please :)