EVE General Discussion

So I have reached this point in my EVE career where I have reached complete and utter apathy toward this game.

This realization did not come during a structure bash. It did not come running some mission. It didn't occur sitting in a belt, chewing on rocks. It came in a "plexing fleet" of 40 people working in absolute synchronicity to turn 5-6 systems over in the course of two days. It happened in a completely dynamic, player created setting...but for some reason, despite the chaos of that kind of fleet...I just couldn't have fun.

Some people in EvE call it "bittervet syndrome." But I think it is something a little deeper than that. I have 18 characters who shall remain nameless for obvious purposes . Don't wan't to get banned or anything.

Several of the characters are trained specifically, and to be quite honest, move like a well-oiled machine...pulling in passive income...able to be adequately appropriated at the exact moment, for the exact purpose I need them.

My "mains" on the other hand, are not as streamlined, so to speak. They were my first three characters, all made within a month of one another, when I was still learning what was what, and what I wanted to do.

I find myself playing more often than not on one of the streamlined characters, making my passive income my focus...and we all know EvE isn't about making isk...it should be about having fun.

So what happens when I reach this point of apathy on my mains? Do I quit? Do I sell the characters and start over? Do I just say, "**** it," and biomass, and restart from there? How does one justify throwing away 150mil collective SP across three characters, no matter how it is being done?

Curious as to whether anyone else has reached this impasse, and how they overcame it. Security class of systems has nothing to do with it. Unlike a lot of people (it seems), I am not terrified of losing ships, and flying recklessly to merely DIAF. Done the lowsec thing, done the nullsec sov grind, done the endless herding of cats in highsec. How does one overcome the apathy?

Side note: No, you cannot have my stuff. Not quitting, necessarily. And if I did, I would trash it first, and provide a juicy video of the assets going down the drain...just to give the proverbial middle finger to all of you damn knaves.

I'll give you credit for being original, int that it's not a Rage Quit Post.

But it is new kind of "I'm Threatening to Quit" Poast or something. I guess.

Actually, he has 18 chars, so more likely 6 accounts.
But suggesting that he stop subbing on 5 of them will strike terror into the hearts of the CCP accounting and marketing depts.

It's called burnout. Quit being a turbonerd and enjoy the game as a game.

Hi KnowUsByTheDead,

I think you have identified your problem, perhaps just not willing to accept the solution.
My advice to you would be to pick a maximum of 3 of your characters and be done with the rest.
You're spoilt for choice and ISK grinding is the trap you have allowed youself to fall in to.

Ask yourself what you have not yet done, but choose a single character. Having all those characters is doing your in game entertainment harm. You need to break away, take a fresh look at things, even if just with one single character. Sell the rest, go big, try everything in this game you have not yet tried with that one, single character. This will only work if you are sincere with yourself and get rid of all the rest of the characters.

Do that and then take a break for a week, a month.

My 2c worth.

o7

"Messing up your zen" is very well put.

You have too many alts, resulting in loss of immersion and attachment to your capsuleer avatar.

It's common in this game to focus on min-maxing the rather simple individual systems that form New Eden. Once you "win" such system, you experience "the bittervet syndrome", possibly in the best case even some short-lived triumph. Then you'll move on to the next feature, until you run out of the things you can imagine to be doing.

Many take a break, or as they call it "quit EVE" (lol), or some return to the mindset they had when they first started EVE- they realize they are actually playing a science fiction game about immortal capsuleers capsuleering in a dystopic universe, and that for years they've forgotten the fiction part, and only focused on turning a game into a science.

Ultimately the sustainable way to enjoy computer games is to give reigns to your inner child, the one who controls your imagination. Leave the goals and achievements to real life, stop trying to win a game that has no points, plot or even an end- just be a capsuleer.

You know, this could very well be the case. Never really had a goal. The goal has always just been "more." More contacts. More isk. More whatever.

So, I am curious, is it merely the fact that I do not get that "rush," anymore? Some examples:

-Getting pointed and losing my first dessie in the lowsec systems around Arnon, during the Sisters arc.
-Getting suicided for the first time, making the newb mistake of traveling the "highway" with all of my assets, In an industrial, not knowing any better.
-My first heist.
-My first pvp roam.
-My first pvp fight (I lost, lol.)
-My first pvp win.
-The first time I flew in a 1000 man battle.

So on and so on...you get the drift.

To be quite honest...not since my first month or two. With the exception of my first 1000 man fight. That was about a year into playing and I only moved a single character out to get the feeling of null sec. Since then, it has all been about maintaining the wallet. And I don't want it to be like that...because then it IS just a job.

As I have no idea on how the game is for a vet player this might sound silly but to me it seems like you have everything automated and streamlined to the point where it's all boring and meaningless, where a loss really doesn't matter and you effectively turned what should be entertaining into a job.

Perhaps have a go at the "less is more" attitude and put your main characters and income on hold, it's not like more isk means more fun, create a fresh character then start from scratch don't give him any help whatsoever, forcing you to actually make it work and perhaps join some newer or up and rising corp. Stick to that ONE character for a bit and set yourself a goal that isn't a numerical one (SP, isk or the likes) that requires you to be active and forces you to either make choices (because of only having one char) or team with others.

If you're not having fun with what you're doing then the only solution is to stop doing it and try it a different way. Low SP character + cheap ships = no isk issues and possibly more fun and most certainly a bigger sense of achievement, and tbh I think that is your main problem; you made it all too easy and meaningless.