Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are making too much sense. CCP aren't concern about that, they aren't concern about those same gankers making 10 or more temp alts on free accounts and causing hell for corps either. It is a sad state of affairs and from what I have read it will only get worse.

Oh the tears...

Ah, but you see, there is a fundamental difference. This is a capitalist economy. Voids in the market will always be filled just by the nature of competition for resources.

Someone will always be around to take the high road of production. But destruction? That is a function few will fill, for the left hand path is a swift way to be ostracized by your fellow players.

Somebody told me this once, and it left an impression.

In a sandbox game, "because I can" is reason enough.

One of the most stupid things I've seen on these forums, and that's saying a lot.

You want to perma ban a character for ganking? Seriously? Are you an idiot?

You kill waves and waves of NPC pirates, maybe if your ship pops, you should have a chance of permadeath if you get podded by the NPC's? After all, you've been killing them in droves, and they surely have a bone to pick with you. Also, since NPC's have very limited AI and all missions are predictable down to the number of NPC's, if you're stupid/rubbish enough to die to them, you deserve character permadeath. Right?

While I agree if you undock you're a target, I do not agree with low penalties and low cost of the lol ganks.

The penalties are actually hideous, and the costs are significant.

We simply take steps to mitigate them, because we are good players. As opposed to the brainless slugs who sit afk on a belt and wonder why they died.

Really, think about this for a minute, ok? As a neg ten, faction police chase you everywhere you go. You may as well never undock in anything bigger than a destroyer because of this, or it will get blown up. Ditto for others players shooting at you, because at any time someone can harvest your pod for the lulz, so again, you might as well get a debuff that says you cannot undock in anything bigger than a destroyer.

As a consequence, trade hubs become a slightly more than tricky proposition. (in everything but a shuttle, Jita might as well be self destruct)

You cannot mission or mine or explore. Because faction police will kill you, if another player doesn't do it first.

So, to summarize:

You cannot misson. You cannot haul stuff. You cannot mine. You cannot explore. You cannot behave in any way as a typical highsec character does. In fact until recently there was fundamentally no appropriate way to even get your sec status back up.

So why does it surprise you that people gank? Thanks to all the restrictions that people like you have already heaped on ganking and characters who do it, if we don't gank, we might as well delete the character.

So yeah, after a decade of that, we've gotten pretty damned good at it. We know how to mitigate the ludicrous consequences you have heaped upon us. We know how to fit our ships for maximum return for our money, which we HAVE TO since we don't get insurance anymore. We're like wormhole players, made hardy and strong from our hardships, and turned into a better class of player as a result, and we are proud of what we are.

The difference is, wormhole players chose to accept the hardships of their lifestyle. We had ours chosen for us by the whining cries to the devs from people who couldn't be asked to fit a tank on their ships or be at their keyboard to defend themselves.

You forgot the fact that it's still a hell of a lot more effort than the guy who is afk in the belt has ever used.

More effort = more chance of "winning". That's a good thing.

For a lot of people, mining isn't really about efficiency. It's about taking a week to get into a retriever, warping to a belt, locking roids, and alt tabbing while watching family guy on Netflix. Check back every time it yells at you that the "asteroid is depleted", oh, ore bay is full, time to warp back and start over again.

So yeah, it's not a ton of money, but it's basically thoughtless. And at that point, what's the difference between them and a badly coded, inefficient bot? They aren't playing the game. Whatever people might tell me or themselves about how they are just saving up to PvP, or whatever, it's just an excuse. There are better ways to make money, hell there are tons of better ways.

But none that require less effort. Can't you see how some people might object to that? How people might treat them like they are a lower class of player?

It would be difficult not to be. Botters aren't actually players. And afk miners barely are. That's like telling me that as a person, I am a higher form of life than a beetle. Stating the obvious.