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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#261 - 2013-09-16 16:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Tchulen wrote:
Harry, you're considering this from your perspective. All you care about if what you want, not what's best for the game as a whole or you have no real concept of how the game works, the wealth of interactions and therefore content that is created specifically because there is no instancing or immunity.

All these people you say are stuck in their ways, naysayers etc. are really people who understand the need to keep the sandbox a sandbox and not shard it or create protected instances in it.

It's not these people who don't understand, it's you. You're blinded to the big picture by your personal agenda. You are ignorant of the whole and therefore promoting concepts that would damage the whole without having any real comprehension of what it is you're doing.

The reason so many people are against you isn't because they're against change per se. It's because they're against your proposed changes because they would be detrimental for the game overall.

I've seen pretty much everyone who's against your idea be positive about other changes that have been proposed. Seriously, it's just you. It's not them or me. It's you.

So carry on regardless because that's what you've done in every other thread you've made. I don't expect you to understand. You've had it explained to you in every thread you've created but you just ignore everyone and continue to promote your asshat ideas.

[gets popcorn, sits down and gets comfy to watch the car crash that is Harry Forever's threads]


the sandbox stays a sandbox, my request is just another gamemode as addition

you seem to be unable to get that part, maybe try harder to understand it

or just stay pigheaded, its easy, and you like easy...

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Ustrello
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#262 - 2013-09-16 18:40:40 UTC
This is Harry's most pants on head ******** idea yet
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#263 - 2013-09-16 19:13:14 UTC
What I find most amusing about Harry's threads is the fact that everyone is slating his idea and he just keeps on going. It's like a robot programmed to walk forward hitting a wall and just keeping on going nowhere. Devoid of thought.

I get that some people don't understand EVE and so could come up with ideas that they think are good but aren't but how can anyone not see that when a massive proportion of the eve population are against the idea (easily understood by looking at the immense amount of negative responses compared to almost no positive responses) CCP aren't going to waste development time on it.

\o/ for Harry! Providing long and pointless threads to while away the cooling evenings.
Michael Loney
Skullspace Industries
#264 - 2013-09-16 21:05:47 UTC
If EvE implemented arenas you would have the exact same hing as all other games with arenas.

You either fall in line and use the Fit Of The Month or never get invited to a group.

I played WoW for years, Large group content was a grind because you had to have the exact setup and guide XYZ or you did not get to go. Then they added the ability to insta-teleport to the arena locations so you did not have to walk your lazy arse there either.

Take you idea, go to one of the big alliances, propose to them the use of an empty 0.0 system as your arena, then charge entry fees. Easy money!

Now that I think about it there is probably systems like this now, just ask around for a link to a "kill-board" It is rumors that player use these to show off their numbers.

I am guessing you want a nice pop-up window with DPS, K/D, Win/Loss etc etc info and a big green button on the bottom that plots a course to the nearest arena and turns on the auto pilot for you. Maybe it even fits you ship first ?!
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#265 - 2013-09-17 09:05:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Michael Loney wrote:
If EvE implemented arenas you would have the exact same hing as all other games with arenas.

You either fall in line and use the Fit Of The Month or never get invited to a group.

I played WoW for years, Large group content was a grind because you had to have the exact setup and guide XYZ or you did not get to go. Then they added the ability to insta-teleport to the arena locations so you did not have to walk your lazy arse there either.

Take you idea, go to one of the big alliances, propose to them the use of an empty 0.0 system as your arena, then charge entry fees. Easy money!

Now that I think about it there is probably systems like this now, just ask around for a link to a "kill-board" It is rumors that player use these to show off their numbers.

I am guessing you want a nice pop-up window with DPS, K/D, Win/Loss etc etc info and a big green button on the bottom that plots a course to the nearest arena and turns on the auto pilot for you. Maybe it even fits you ship first ?!



competitive gamers out there want to use their brain not do repetitive stuff for hours or wait for the 20 jumps

the arena should be accessible over every station, its a VR room completely seperated from the universe

it feels like all of you guys are stuck in the sandbox, this has nothing to do with sanbox, its a different gamemode

Its hard to understand why you guys can not vision this, because its easy to vision stuff like that for me

think about it like starcraft, this is not about organizing events in the universe, its about a gamemode just for leagues

they won't happen out there, they happen in a seperated area, without traveling time and all that stuff

its pure instant pvp... matchup is taken care by the client, no talking to you complicated people

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#266 - 2013-09-17 09:09:35 UTC
sounds interesting.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#267 - 2013-09-17 10:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Lephia DeGrande
Harry, i do like your Idea (and i dont even like Arena Stuff) but splitting the Community is not a good Solution, i dont even like that CCP run their yearly Tournament in not accecable Jove Space.

I really Blame them, give them a dedicated System with some reasonable tweaks and let them fight but dont take the ISK Sink and Community out of the Game. If you want to watch them fight visit them in their single System, they can burn their ISK beeing Part of the Game overall, but get protected to fight without bothering from the outside.

Oh and introduce something like bets to gamble a bit and Win prices!

Meet the Mario Kart 8 - Capsuleer Club Cup
Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
#268 - 2013-09-17 10:55:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Elistea
Harry Forever wrote:
we need universe wide leagues and arenas to assure we can put our best ships to use in some competitive gaming environment

seeing those best ships going down each day on the killboard, ganked by some kids who are just jealous because they don't have the same tech is rediculous

people are grinding for ages just to loose their ships within seconds? there is no point for that except the gleeful

all ships in the hangar should be usable in those arenas as often as you want

you still should be able to loos the ship in some SoV PvP or ganking action, however it would be way different when you have been able to get some real fights with it before that

at the moment PvP is just searching for the weak and easy target, nobody takes up real challanges 30 vs. 1, 5 year old players vs. 3 month old newbs, its all about punching down the weak and not about taking risk and challanges

arenas and leagues would change it all and bring the competitive gaming crowd to the game


Want Arenas? Go play fkin Wow or GW2. This is sandbox, not a kindergarten!
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#269 - 2013-09-17 11:08:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lephia DeGrande
Elistea wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
we need universe wide leagues and arenas to assure we can put our best ships to use in some competitive gaming environment

seeing those best ships going down each day on the killboard, ganked by some kids who are just jealous because they don't have the same tech is rediculous

people are grinding for ages just to loose their ships within seconds? there is no point for that except the gleeful

all ships in the hangar should be usable in those arenas as often as you want

you still should be able to loos the ship in some SoV PvP or ganking action, however it would be way different when you have been able to get some real fights with it before that

at the moment PvP is just searching for the weak and easy target, nobody takes up real challanges 30 vs. 1, 5 year old players vs. 3 month old newbs, its all about punching down the weak and not about taking risk and challanges

arenas and leagues would change it all and bring the competitive gaming crowd to the game


Want Arenas? Go play fkin Wow or GW2. This is sandbox, not a kindergarten!


The Sandbox "Argument" is the most anoying thing in this Forum, if i build an Arena in the Sandbox while you Play with your Kindergarten friends "War" on the other side of the Sandbox why should it bother you? Besides meaningless behaviors of course...

"oh no he stole MY sand!"
"Let us **** in the Box!"
Roll

Meet the Mario Kart 8 - Capsuleer Club Cup
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#270 - 2013-09-17 11:15:39 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:



competitive gamers out there want to use their brain not do repetitive stuff for hours or wait for the 20 jumps



Harry I'm sorry but the using "your brain" and "competitive" are areas where you fall short. You see, EVE already offers instant PVP environments, FW lowsec and RvB. We've told you about them many times, but you just disregard them. Why? There's no waiting, very little jumping (I make 0-3 jumps to find fights), and it's very cheap, no need to do repetitive stuff. Loot and LP goes a long way in FW to funding your pvp.

Quote:
the arena should be accessible over every station, its a VR room completely seperated from the universe

it feels like all of you guys are stuck in the sandbox, this has nothing to do with sanbox, its a different gamemode

Its hard to understand why you guys can not vision this, because its easy to vision stuff like that for me

think about it like starcraft, this is not about organizing events in the universe, its about a gamemode just for leagues


We can easily vision it, don't worry, we just don't see any value to adding it to EVE. You want a minigame inside the game, we prefer to play the game itself, because it's more fun.

What did you do today to find a fight?


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Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
#271 - 2013-09-17 11:17:02 UTC
Lephia DeGrande wrote:
Elistea wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
we need universe wide leagues and arenas to assure we can put our best ships to use in some competitive gaming environment

seeing those best ships going down each day on the killboard, ganked by some kids who are just jealous because they don't have the same tech is rediculous

people are grinding for ages just to loose their ships within seconds? there is no point for that except the gleeful

all ships in the hangar should be usable in those arenas as often as you want

you still should be able to loos the ship in some SoV PvP or ganking action, however it would be way different when you have been able to get some real fights with it before that

at the moment PvP is just searching for the weak and easy target, nobody takes up real challanges 30 vs. 1, 5 year old players vs. 3 month old newbs, its all about punching down the weak and not about taking risk and challanges

arenas and leagues would change it all and bring the competitive gaming crowd to the game


Want Arenas? Go play fkin Wow or GW2. This is sandbox, not a kindergarten!


The Sandbox "Argument" is the most anoying thing in this Forum, if i build an Arena in the Sandbox while you Play with your Kindergarten friends "War" on the other side of the Sandbox why should it bother you? Besides meaningless behaviors of course...

"oh no he stole MY sand!"
"Let us **** in the Box!"
Roll


The goal of this game is to provide unscripted and spontanious events. Not provide ppl with permanent limited PVP arenas like in GW2.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#272 - 2013-09-17 11:23:29 UTC
Elistea wrote:
Lephia DeGrande wrote:
Elistea wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
we need universe wide leagues and arenas to assure we can put our best ships to use in some competitive gaming environment

seeing those best ships going down each day on the killboard, ganked by some kids who are just jealous because they don't have the same tech is rediculous

people are grinding for ages just to loose their ships within seconds? there is no point for that except the gleeful

all ships in the hangar should be usable in those arenas as often as you want

you still should be able to loos the ship in some SoV PvP or ganking action, however it would be way different when you have been able to get some real fights with it before that

at the moment PvP is just searching for the weak and easy target, nobody takes up real challanges 30 vs. 1, 5 year old players vs. 3 month old newbs, its all about punching down the weak and not about taking risk and challanges

arenas and leagues would change it all and bring the competitive gaming crowd to the game


Want Arenas? Go play fkin Wow or GW2. This is sandbox, not a kindergarten!


The Sandbox "Argument" is the most anoying thing in this Forum, if i build an Arena in the Sandbox while you Play with your Kindergarten friends "War" on the other side of the Sandbox why should it bother you? Besides meaningless behaviors of course...

"oh no he stole MY sand!"
"Let us **** in the Box!"
Roll


The goal of this game is to provide unscripted and spontanious events. Not provide ppl with permanent limited PVP arenas like in GW2.


You arent wrong, but you arent right either, Sandbox dont exclude Arenas out per se, even CCP itself starts Arena like fights once a Year and if they do it with their Sandbox why we cant do it with our Sandbox?

Meet the Mario Kart 8 - Capsuleer Club Cup
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#273 - 2013-09-17 11:24:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Harry Forever wrote:

competitive gamers out there want to use their brain not do repetitive stuff for hours or wait for the 20 jumps

[...]

its pure instant pvp... matchup is taken care by the client, no talking to you complicated people


Best thing about it... is that Eve is about finding a target, getting it into a situation where you can actually engage it, then survive the engagement - and that's it. You just survive and your ship lives to see another day. I don't really get how one can get competitive over a game that doesn't even has a real ranking system (Ye, Killboards actually say little more than intel) in a way that makes him somewhat want an arena-mode.

I guess you just watched the AT and thought of only the fight. Sadly, that's not it - those people have spent time in the game acquiring their stuff, fitting it up, getting logistics done etc., aswell as running sparring on the test server. Afterwards, they took THEIR OWN stuff out to run it into other teams.
If you don't like the thought of 'what's dead stays that way', then you should really just get into a navy raven for SiSi and sign up for the respective killboard. I saw it, there actually is one oO

Else, your statements and requests are a really pathetic attempt to cover for your incompetence at the conflict-part of this game, and its underlying strategic part.

Edit: Or check out the SCL to see how people actually realize 'arena-fights' instead of numbly demanding them.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#274 - 2013-09-17 12:09:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Elistea wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
we need universe wide leagues and arenas to assure we can put our best ships to use in some competitive gaming environment

seeing those best ships going down each day on the killboard, ganked by some kids who are just jealous because they don't have the same tech is rediculous

people are grinding for ages just to loose their ships within seconds? there is no point for that except the gleeful

all ships in the hangar should be usable in those arenas as often as you want

you still should be able to loos the ship in some SoV PvP or ganking action, however it would be way different when you have been able to get some real fights with it before that

at the moment PvP is just searching for the weak and easy target, nobody takes up real challanges 30 vs. 1, 5 year old players vs. 3 month old newbs, its all about punching down the weak and not about taking risk and challanges

arenas and leagues would change it all and bring the competitive gaming crowd to the game


Want Arenas? Go play fkin Wow or GW2. This is sandbox, not a kindergarten!


I talk about competitive gaming, not about WoW or GW2

maybe play some other games from time to time so you understand what this is about

I'm talking about major league gaming, that kind of stuff with the gamemode I propose

thats serious, and not for you sanbox kiddies

no jumps, no ships loss, its all about challanges only

big wars small wars, with a matchupsystem offered by the client, nobody of us will disturb you in your sandbox, trust me that

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#275 - 2013-09-17 12:15:16 UTC
No, it's not serious. Serious gaming happens on TQ. If you want irrelevant stats, feast on these http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20.

Harry challenge yourself and stop moaning on the forums, go out and fight.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#276 - 2013-09-17 12:15:48 UTC
Roime wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:



competitive gamers out there want to use their brain not do repetitive stuff for hours or wait for the 20 jumps



Harry I'm sorry but the using "your brain" and "competitive" are areas where you fall short. You see, EVE already offers instant PVP environments, FW lowsec and RvB. We've told you about them many times, but you just disregard them. Why? There's no waiting, very little jumping (I make 0-3 jumps to find fights), and it's very cheap, no need to do repetitive stuff. Loot and LP goes a long way in FW to funding your pvp.

Quote:
the arena should be accessible over every station, its a VR room completely seperated from the universe

it feels like all of you guys are stuck in the sandbox, this has nothing to do with sanbox, its a different gamemode

Its hard to understand why you guys can not vision this, because its easy to vision stuff like that for me

think about it like starcraft, this is not about organizing events in the universe, its about a gamemode just for leagues


We can easily vision it, don't worry, we just don't see any value to adding it to EVE. You want a minigame inside the game, we prefer to play the game itself, because it's more fun.

What did you do today to find a fight?




this is no minigame, this is serious business, you got clue about competitive gaming and what it is about, please stop responding, there will be no changes to your sandbox so you can be happy

the developement time spend for the league and arena system will even improve your sandbox, its win win only

I'm not talking about you people who mine 10 hours a day, make 100 jumps a day, do some FW pvp and that stuff, I do it as well but I'm not in the mood every day for it... competitive gamers are a different breed, try one out first before you talk about it, you just understand your sandbox, start looking out of your box

eve is a perfect gaming system for competitive challanges and should be used for that, it has great potetial there

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#277 - 2013-09-17 12:21:04 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

this is no minigame, this is serious business, you got clue about competitive gaming and what it is about, please stop responding, there will be no changes to your sandbox so you can be happy

the developement time spend for the league and arena system will even improve your sandbox, its win win only

I'm not talking about you people who mine 10 hours a day, make 100 jumps a day, do some FW pvp and that stuff, I do it as well but I'm not in the mood every day for it... competitive gamers are a different breed, try one out first before you talk about it, you just understand your sandbox, start looking out of your box

eve is a perfect gaming system for competitive challanges and should be used for that, it has great potetial there


You said it's a minigame, totally detached from the rest of the game, with no ship lossess, and you still claim that it's not a minigame, improves the sandbox and is somehow serious even without ship losses. Full of contradictions.

I don't mine for 10 hours per day. I have 91 kills this month. And I just said I do mostly under 3 jumps to find a fight. Usually just one.

Why don't you try EVE pvp first before talking about it?

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#278 - 2013-09-17 12:22:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
those people here are unable to seperate two gamemods from eachother, they just think about how to integrate arenas in their sandbox, however it should not be integrated, its a seperate environment and the only connection to what you can use in the leagues is your skills and ships that you grinded up in the sandbox

a perfect way to give meaning to both gamemodes

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#279 - 2013-09-17 12:27:47 UTC
You're not really making the slightest effort to read what people write or have a discussion. It's like you're covering your ears and just keep repeating the same argument over and over again.

Except you contradict your own arguments all the time.

Really man, if you want a game that is not connected to the EVE sandbox, there are millions out there.

.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#280 - 2013-09-17 12:41:35 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
competitive gamers out there want to use their brain not do repetitive stuff for hours or wait for the 20 jumps

the arena should be accessible over every station, its a VR room completely seperated from the universe

it feels like all of you guys are stuck in the sandbox, this has nothing to do with sanbox, its a different gamemode

Its hard to understand why you guys can not vision this, because its easy to vision stuff like that for me

think about it like starcraft, this is not about organizing events in the universe, its about a gamemode just for leagues

they won't happen out there, they happen in a seperated area, without traveling time and all that stuff

its pure instant pvp... matchup is taken care by the client, no talking to you complicated people
It's not hard to "vision", it's just a terrible idea, which would pull people away from the main game in favor of lossless PvP. It's hard to understand why you can't "vision" the damage this would do to the economic structure of EvE.

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