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Future Eve online: Free to play

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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#41 - 2013-07-03 16:26:22 UTC
Eve cannot go f2p with its current account model.

Heck, I'd open more accounts myself and see just how many I could control without needing something like isboxer.

The number of accounts would skyrocket even if you just had the current player base, without the injection of the f2p crowd.

Eve can't go full-on brainless f2p without an incredible amount of change that would make a lot of people unhappy.

Then again, I think we've all seen other games that are examples which show that cash is king, and appeasing the investors is the only thing that matters. Investors have proven that they are greedy, impatient, uncaring non-players who are easily attracted to shiny "new business models" that promise a quick profit.

Profit favors the prepared
Sex Slave Girl
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#42 - 2013-07-03 21:28:05 UTC
Soylent Jade wrote:
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
I also think, we will have 4~7 cloaky neutrals in every null sec system, that afk all day.



This would be hilarious, but not worth the influx of Freetards.

BTW, your avatar just isn't the same without the massive boobs poking me in the eyes.


I know but this Forum is rated PG 13+ so it had to be changed.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-07-03 22:49:23 UTC
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
Let's talk about the good and bad stuff that comes with it.


I really miss your old avatar pic.....why did you change it.....WHY!!!!!!?!??!?????

BTW, Eve is already F2P and has been since the introduction of breasts.....I mean plex!

Don't ban me, bro!
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#44 - 2013-09-17 03:01:47 UTC
FREE TO PLAY??? FREE TO PLAY??
Are you out of your frakking mind? The only FPS that needs to exsist here in EvE is the ability to create a corp get a group going and everyone in it find a way to use the in game ability to make enough isk to plex ur accounts.....thats as far FPS needs to go.

Really OP....you are just plain dumb. If I wanted play games like Star Trek Online, Black Prohecy, etc with their supposed FPS but i can pay for advantages with cash idea but be limited in how i want to play with arena style play for pvp and the like (wow comes to mind here) and no sense of loss or risk which means no sense of accomplishment then i would not be playing EvE....go back where you came from and STFU.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-09-17 03:06:29 UTC
The bot spam is bad enough with the trial accounts.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#46 - 2013-09-17 03:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
It's funny listening to people talk about F2P likes it some revolution in the gaming industry and not just the sad result of a bunch of misguided and ill-considered attempts to recreate the singular success of warcraft.

Market standard subscriptions are either insignificant or nearly so, it's just the industry's going through a "lost-ball-in-tall-grass" period and can't create an MMO that's worth playing for more than three months.

The industry should be looking to what CCP has done with Eve, not the other way around.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-09-17 03:59:37 UTC
Sex Slave Girl wrote:


But there are some good things too that come with it. We will have more people to play with!

However the game will be changed so much, it won't be eve as we know it.


A) Said "more people" won't like undock anymore than the current crowd and B) the game of "EVE as we know it" is going to take a bit of an erratic run for awhile anyway. These things happen when senior devs quit/leave/find a better deal somewhere else.

Sigh.

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-09-17 05:30:02 UTC
Eve online will never go free to play.

The free to play maneuver is about building up player numbers.

It's done either because you are losing players (noone will play a game that noone else plays, so if people start leaving it forms a negative spiral, free to play can interrupt that), or because your business model is best served by huge numbers of players.

Whilst the latter sounds obvious and universally applicable, you must understand, Eve's business model does not revolve around large numbers of players.

Eve has a maximum user limit. Because it's on a single server, there's a hardware based cap on how many people it can service at once, and that cap is almost certainly lower then the influx of people we would see if eve went free to play.

Basically, if eve went free to play the only thing that would happen is it would crash the server, and everyone would leave because the server was perpetually unstable. To go free to play, eve would have to go multi-server, and then it wouldn't be eve.

Eve's secret sauce has always been in long term player retention. Eve doesn't need free to play. Keep wishing, it'll never happen.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer
Just Lilly
#49 - 2013-09-17 05:43:51 UTC
Bots would go on a rampage, beyond the ever so watchful eyes of CCP Games.

And destroy the market in less than six months.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2013-09-17 06:40:08 UTC
well...
the thing is-...very interesting

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Jessi Burns
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2013-09-17 10:34:52 UTC
I find the fear to be hilarious. Easy solution is new servers. Many people would migrate for a the feel of what it would be like to start from the beginning. People appear to think that eve would be invaded instantly by hundreds of thousands, but I don't. Eve is still the most difficult game to learn and play, so the likelihood of an invasion of noobs is very slim.
Judith Frozenvoid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-09-17 10:43:48 UTC
lock this thread it's dumb.
ExcalibursTemplar
CANZUK
#53 - 2013-09-17 11:11:27 UTC
Considering I've just spent £180 subbing two accounts for the next 12 months id be extremely pissed of if eve turned free to play anytime soon.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#54 - 2013-09-17 12:13:39 UTC
EVE is already as "F2P" as it needs to be. Why on earth should CCP abandon the extremely successful, constructive, gameplay-supportive PLEX model for the discredited, corrupt pay-to-win model?

Because make no mistake, there would be absolutely no alternative to putting P2W in the cash shop if EVE went free to play. Either that or we'd see a huge reduction in the amount of resources that CCP could invest in the game. EVE players are notoriously pragmatic and result-focused (that's as nicely as I can put it) and the opportunitues for meaningful "vanity" products like avatar clothing are limited because as a rule, no one else sees them.

In order to replace the ~$7.5M/month that CCP get from subs and plex sales (and let's not forget that that figure has been steadily increasing this last couple of years), they'd need to sell a hell of a lot of monocles. I just don't see EVE players buying that many, month after month.

"Oh but Malc, what about those other games that went F2P and saw an increase in revenue?"

Well for one thing, those games were on life support and tanking hard. That "increase" was from a very low starting point. Meanwhile, EVE's subs have been increasing nicely.

And all those games sell things like experience potions or content unlocks that would be very ill-received by this community and classed as "P2W".

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#55 - 2013-09-17 12:14:32 UTC
Jessi Burns wrote:
I find the fear to be hilarious. Easy solution is new servers. Many people would migrate for a the feel of what it would be like to start from the beginning. People appear to think that eve would be invaded instantly by hundreds of thousands, but I don't. Eve is still the most difficult game to learn and play, so the likelihood of an invasion of noobs is very slim.


Exactly. I don't think the sub fee is a big deal for the kind of people who play EVE.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-09-17 12:20:47 UTC
Eve is already practically free to play if you play smart. The IQ barrier is a good thing. This game isn't for everyone.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-09-17 13:37:38 UTC
PLEX is such an elegant solution for both 'F2P' and gold selling that they'd have to be completely mental to change it.

forums.  serious business.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2013-09-17 13:41:06 UTC
As if CCP really needs more people complaining that they should have not been able to be killed for doing something stupid.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#59 - 2013-09-17 13:42:14 UTC
Future EVE Online: NPC corp alts are not allowed to post on the forums, and badposters are permabanned for stupid ideas.

Standard moderation policies like this have proven to increase subscription rates by 25-40% in MMOs.

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-09-17 13:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Jessi Burns wrote:
I find the fear to be hilarious. Easy solution is new servers. Many people would migrate for a the feel of what it would be like to start from the beginning. People appear to think that eve would be invaded instantly by hundreds of thousands, but I don't. Eve is still the most difficult game to learn and play, so the likelihood of an invasion of noobs is very slim.


You have exactly zero clue about what you speak of. F2P is the death knell of games not originally designed as such. Period. End of discussion.

New servers? SMH.