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Anti-Ganker Barge Fits.

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Sosueme Hapytuedispt
Doomheim
#281 - 2013-09-16 22:46:46 UTC
Yeah, that can't be done. It won't be done. And therefore, it is not gankable.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#282 - 2013-09-16 23:06:24 UTC
Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:
Yeah, that can't be done. It won't be done. And therefore, it is not gankable.



Now you're changing your argument. Nobody claimed that it was likely that someone would organize a gank of the Veldnaught (even though I seem to remember seeing that it was fitted with a tank of honor), just that it is possible.

As I showed, it is possible. Whether it will or won't be done is way outside the scope of a discussion of possibility (or even feasibility). Gankable = Possible to gank.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sosueme Hapytuedispt
Doomheim
#283 - 2013-09-17 00:41:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Sosueme Hapytuedispt
Ganking the Veldnaught is impossible. What your getting confused with ungankable is indestructable.

Besides the numbers you presented, which you left out a key component of resistances, your 1400 ships that you proposed would be neccesary, have exactly 2 seconds in 1.0 Amarr space to do enough damage before concord arrive, You would literally need to do enough damage to completely collapse a dreadnaughts defenses in 2 seconds flat. It has never been done, will never be done, and simply is an impossibility.

His retrofitted Mining ship, the Veldnaught is simply an exception to the rule. There is such a thing as an ungankable mining ship.

End of story.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#284 - 2013-09-17 05:37:08 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:
Ganking the Veldnaught is impossible. What your getting confused with ungankable is indestructable.


So what's your definition of "ungankable?"

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Besides the numbers you presented, which you left out a key component of resistances


Ah, you're another one of those who doesn't know what EHP means.

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your 1400 ships that you proposed would be neccesary, have exactly 2 seconds in 1.0 Amarr space to do enough damage before concord arrive,


Nor Alpha.

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His retrofitted Mining ship, the Veldnaught is simply an exception to the rule. There is such a thing as an ungankable mining ship.


I've shown you exactly what it takes to gank the worst case scenario Veldnaught, and explained that there are groups able to field those numbers.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#285 - 2013-09-17 15:34:43 UTC
Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:
Yeah, that can't be done. It won't be done. And therefore, it is not gankable.

Ah! "Moving the Goalposts." A classic informal argumentative fallacy, frequently used by people losing the argument.
Sosueme Hapytuedispt
Doomheim
#286 - 2013-09-17 15:56:04 UTC
You've lost the argument.

You either explain, in great detail how you can gank a dreadnaught in 2 seconds flat, or you have no argument and your opinion is invalidated.

You made the claim it could be done. The burden of proof lies with you.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#287 - 2013-09-17 16:00:35 UTC
Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:
You've lost the argument.

You either explain, in great detail how you can gank a dreadnaught in 2 seconds flat, or you have no argument and your opinion is invalidated.

You made the claim it could be done. The burden of proof lies with you.

Nope. It's already been explained, and you're ignoring that post - another argumentative fallacy (Suppressing the Evidence). That's two for two. Give it up; the only thing you can produce are fallacies.
Vexed Nova
NovaTech Holdings
#288 - 2013-09-17 16:26:58 UTC
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:


There are no incorrect fits for barges, only stronger and weaker.


Simply not true.
There are a myriad of examples of fits that should be made illegal. I do want to point out, fitting a mining barge with a high sec loadout but using the barge in low or null sec is not just a weaker fit, it is also incorrect.

A large percentage of a fit is less "standard" and more "situational".

That being said, awesome work getting out all the information on your fits. The community appreciates the efforts of people like you.

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Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
Vigilante Carebears
#289 - 2013-09-17 16:49:06 UTC
Vexed Nova wrote:
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:


There are no incorrect fits for barges, only stronger and weaker.


Simply not true.
There are a myriad of examples of fits that should be made illegal. I do want to point out, fitting a mining barge with a high sec loadout but using the barge in low or null sec is not just a weaker fit, it is also incorrect.

A large percentage of a fit is less "standard" and more "situational".

That being said, awesome work getting out all the information on your fits. The community appreciates the efforts of people like you.


I am glad I could help. Thank You for your imput.

Fly Safe.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#290 - 2013-09-17 17:27:08 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:
You've lost the argument.

You either explain, in great detail how you can gank a dreadnaught in 2 seconds flat, or you have no argument and your opinion is invalidated.

You made the claim it could be done. The burden of proof lies with you.


I did explain. Right here. If you don't understand the basic terminology used in my explanation, that's your problem.

Now, what's your definition of "ungankable?"

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#291 - 2013-09-18 03:20:44 UTC
Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:
You've lost the argument.

You either explain, in great detail how you can gank a dreadnaught in 2 seconds flat, or you have no argument and your opinion is invalidated.

You made the claim it could be done. The burden of proof lies with you.


not sure if moron or just troll..
Arkie Velectjarra
Doomheim
#292 - 2013-09-22 14:29:08 UTC
Thank you for the fittings. P
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#293 - 2013-09-22 16:45:27 UTC
These threads always turn into an argument over who has the biggest epeen.


If you fit a decent tank on your barge it reduces the chance it will get ganked. Many people that gank including myself scan for fittings before they gank. If two barges are in a belt and one has absolutely no tank guess what one I'm going for.

Now there is an other end of this extreme where you could fit T2 rigs and deadspace modules for tank. This might make it an interesting target just for the ISK value on the KB and possible drops.

Yes you still CAN get ganked. Anything can get ganked. Freighters get ganked in Jita so nothing on your mining barge will reach that amount of HP. Now will you get ganked?... Not likely unless it's someone like goons trying to mess with the market.