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Solo WH Legion Ship

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TurdBurglar
CustomCombatGaming
#1 - 2013-09-16 08:28:31 UTC
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/25568-Legion-Legion-C3-Sleepers.html
The guy solo'ing level 3 Oruze Construct with the fit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU8skYahZ-c



I would like to know if this fit still applies in the latest patches? I have the exact same fit, haven't taken it out yet and tested it, wanted some feedback before I risk a 1.3bil ship lol.
It says it is stable in the fit, but I get it is unstable, depletes in 4:10 with everything on, 10 minutes with just armor repper on. In the comments somebody says this is a bug?, but comments are so old I don't trust them.
Setsune Rin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-09-16 08:41:02 UTC
dude...that **** got buffed, do you even read the patch notes?

besides, no points in c3 sites so no danger trying it
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#3 - 2013-09-16 08:58:09 UTC
Setsune Rin wrote:
dude...that **** got buffed, do you even read the patch notes?

besides, no points in c3 sites so no danger trying it


Several Sites have frigs that point. but the only really problem sites are the Database and Recursive as they can almost blap a legion if you are at range and have bad transversal.

PS, that fit is over tanked and pretty pricey. You can do all but the 2 sites mentioned above in a T2 fitted legion with 3 heat sinks so you get more DPS and have faster site times, that fit could do the other 2 sites but I would perfer to just run more of the other sites with less risk. Either that or bring 2 legions that are T2 fit and do all of the sites.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#4 - 2013-09-16 09:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Godfrey Silvarna
Battleclinic is filled to the brim with bad fits. That fit has too much tank and way too little dps. Try something more like this:

[Legion, Nalletus]

Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Centum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

10MN Afterburner II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Anti-Thermic Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network

This one gets over 700 dps and well over 500 tank for the pricetag of one billion. If it still feels overtanked, you can replace one of the rigs with a tech 2 damage boosting rig, since there is plenty of spare PG and CPU left.
TurdBurglar
CustomCombatGaming
#5 - 2013-09-16 19:19:14 UTC
Awesome thanks!
CeNSeR
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-09-16 21:29:55 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
Setsune Rin wrote:
dude...that **** got buffed, do you even read the patch notes?

besides, no points in c3 sites so no danger trying it


Several Sites have frigs that point. but the only really problem sites are the Database and Recursive as they can almost blap a legion if you are at range and have bad transversal.

PS, that fit is over tanked and pretty pricey. You can do all but the 2 sites mentioned above in a T2 fitted legion with 3 heat sinks so you get more DPS and have faster site times, that fit could do the other 2 sites but I would perfer to just run more of the other sites with less risk. Either that or bring 2 legions that are T2 fit and do all of the sites.


Which site and what frig points you in a C3 site? As far as I new the isnt any.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-09-16 23:28:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Xequecal
All the above fits are bad. Use this:

[New Setup 4]
Corpum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Core C-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Core C-Type Armor EM Hardener

Domination 100MN Afterburner
Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II,Tracking Speed Script

Heavy Neutron Blaster II,Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II,Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II,Antimatter Charge M
Salvager II
Expanded Probe Launcher I,Core Scanner Probe I
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


You'll need Genolution CA-1 and CA-2 or a powegrid implant to fit it.

Sleepers will only switch to your drones if there are sleeper frigs on grid. Use a flight of lights and the blasters to clear out frigs than switch to mediums. Occasionally you will lose a Hobgoblin but you can carry tons and tons of spares so no problem. You should never lose a Hammerhead if you don't launch them while sleeper frigs are active.

Blasters on a 100mn AB fit looks stupid but it works. You can actually track the close orbiting frigates while webbed and once frigs are dead there's nothing preventing you from parking directly on top of the sleeper battleships and blasting them with Void ammo. Null with optimal range script in will hit the 14km orbit Awakened Upholder cruisers and the 30km orbit cruisers have extremely weak tanks and fall fast to your drones.

It's 567 DPS, but you can salvage the site while you're running it. No wasting time coming back in a noctis. Once you pop the rats you have 1 wreck to salvage and you can move on to the next. You can solo roam WHs and run other people's sites, since you don't use much ammo (only 3 guns) and are completely self-sufficient.

Two other things:

- If you can't use blasters, lasers work OK, just swap the Domi 100mn AB for a Shadow Serpentis 100mn AB and put heavy pulses on. They don't track the close-orbit frigs very well, though.
- If you don't have Salvaging V, you need to replace the second nano pump with a salvage tackle, or you won't be able to salvage sleeper battleships.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-09-16 23:36:35 UTC
CeNSeR wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
Setsune Rin wrote:
dude...that **** got buffed, do you even read the patch notes?

besides, no points in c3 sites so no danger trying it


Several Sites have frigs that point. but the only really problem sites are the Database and Recursive as they can almost blap a legion if you are at range and have bad transversal.

PS, that fit is over tanked and pretty pricey. You can do all but the 2 sites mentioned above in a T2 fitted legion with 3 heat sinks so you get more DPS and have faster site times, that fit could do the other 2 sites but I would perfer to just run more of the other sites with less risk. Either that or bring 2 legions that are T2 fit and do all of the sites.


Which site and what frig points you in a C3 site? As far as I new the isnt any.


The first wave of Solar Cell scrams. The two harder container sites (Frontier Databank and Recursive Depot) also scram. Frontier Databank is a very risky solo and I don't think Recursive Depot is soloable in anything, an XLASB Vargur might be able to do it but nothing else.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#9 - 2013-09-17 03:57:14 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
CeNSeR wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
Setsune Rin wrote:
dude...that **** got buffed, do you even read the patch notes?

besides, no points in c3 sites so no danger trying it


Several Sites have frigs that point. but the only really problem sites are the Database and Recursive as they can almost blap a legion if you are at range and have bad transversal.

PS, that fit is over tanked and pretty pricey. You can do all but the 2 sites mentioned above in a T2 fitted legion with 3 heat sinks so you get more DPS and have faster site times, that fit could do the other 2 sites but I would perfer to just run more of the other sites with less risk. Either that or bring 2 legions that are T2 fit and do all of the sites.


Which site and what frig points you in a C3 site? As far as I new the isnt any.


The first wave of Solar Cell scrams. The two harder container sites (Frontier Databank and Recursive Depot) also scram. Frontier Databank is a very risky solo and I don't think Recursive Depot is soloable in anything, an XLASB Vargur might be able to do it but nothing else.


There's a guy who has youtube videos of him soloing C4s with similar BS spawns with a Vargur solo and Nightmare solo, so it's definitely doable, but not a good idea as the fits are probably very expensive and someone is bound to jump you eventually.
Dring Dingle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-09-17 04:11:53 UTC
A c3 solar cell has a point. (1frig in intial wave)
That's the only anom with one.

The data and relic sites have them aswell.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#11 - 2013-09-18 03:01:35 UTC
Dring Dingle wrote:
A c3 solar cell has a point. (1frig in intial wave)
That's the only anom with one.

The data and relic sites have them aswell.


If you die in the first wave of a solar cell then you fail at WHs, the standard spawn is 1 frig + 1 cruiser with a possible single BS, pretty much the lightest spawn of any C3 anom. Its really just the Database and recursive that are a problem (high DPS plus scram frigs).

Quote:
All the above fits are bad. Use this:

[New Setup 4]
Corpum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II..............


not really a fan of drones in WHs, you might get OK DPS but you loss DPS by having to pull them in all the time.

If you want a cheap Legion this is my budget fit. It can do anything but the Database and Recursive solo and with boosts or a second legion it can do them as well.

The battery is better than a recharger but does require good fitting skills and the second rep is really just there as a safety for the heavier waves so no need to be cap stable with it on. If you are going to do the harder sites you might want to drop the TC for a recharger to help with the nuets. Also T2 Rigs are getting cheaper so they are a good option as well (they don't drop when you get ganked so no goodies for the ganker).

[Legion, WH]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Tracking Computer II
Large Capacitor Battery II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst




Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-09-18 06:02:57 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
Dring Dingle wrote:
A c3 solar cell has a point. (1frig in intial wave)
That's the only anom with one.

The data and relic sites have them aswell.


If you die in the first wave of a solar cell then you fail at WHs, the standard spawn is 1 frig + 1 cruiser with a possible single BS, pretty much the lightest spawn of any C3 anom. Its really just the Database and recursive that are a problem (high DPS plus scram frigs).

Quote:
All the above fits are bad. Use this:

[New Setup 4]
Corpum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II..............


not really a fan of drones in WHs, you might get OK DPS but you loss DPS by having to pull them in all the time.

If you want a cheap Legion this is my budget fit. It can do anything but the Database and Recursive solo and with boosts or a second legion it can do them as well.

The battery is better than a recharger but does require good fitting skills and the second rep is really just there as a safety for the heavier waves so no need to be cap stable with it on. If you are going to do the harder sites you might want to drop the TC for a recharger to help with the nuets. Also T2 Rigs are getting cheaper so they are a good option as well (they don't drop when you get ganked so no goodies for the ganker).

[Legion, WH]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Tracking Computer II
Large Capacitor Battery II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst






Sleepers do not switch to drones if there are no frigs alive. Once they are dead no juggling is needed.

Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#13 - 2013-09-20 00:14:28 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Battleclinic is filled to the brim with bad fits. That fit has too much tank and way too little dps. Try something more like this:

[Legion, Nalletus]

Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Centum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

10MN Afterburner II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Anti-Thermic Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network

This one gets over 700 dps and well over 500 tank for the pricetag of one billion. If it still feels overtanked, you can replace one of the rigs with a tech 2 damage boosting rig, since there is plenty of spare PG and CPU left.

... over 700 dps?What?

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.

Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#14 - 2013-09-20 04:41:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Tul Breetai wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Battleclinic is filled to the brim with bad fits. That fit has too much tank and way too little dps. Try something more like this:
.......
This one gets over 700 dps and well over 500 tank for the pricetag of one billion. If it still feels overtanked, you can replace one of the rigs with a tech 2 damage boosting rig, since there is plenty of spare PG and CPU left.

... over 700 dps?What?


With 6 Guns you can get that pretty easily, Cap is normally not very good though, with a Single Rep is OK though (40% stable or around there).

With 2X 5% Imps you can get almost 800 dps with conflag.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#15 - 2013-09-20 05:57:15 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Battleclinic is filled to the brim with bad fits. That fit has too much tank and way too little dps. Try something more like this:
.......
This one gets over 700 dps and well over 500 tank for the pricetag of one billion. If it still feels overtanked, you can replace one of the rigs with a tech 2 damage boosting rig, since there is plenty of spare PG and CPU left.

... over 700 dps?What?


With 6 Guns you can get that pretty easily, Cap is normally not very good though, with a Single Rep is OK though (40% stable or around there).

With 2X 5% Imps you can get almost 800 dps with conflag.

Dude, idk, I see 608 V stats, no imps. Cold, because let's be honest, you can't run a site in less than 51 seconds even with overheat.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.

SghnDubh
BattleClinic
#16 - 2013-09-21 13:14:38 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Battleclinic is filled to the brim with bad fits. That fit has too much tank and way too little dps.


OP asked if the fit was still relevant; your snark doesn't appear to have been requested.

Go put that loadout up on BC and lets see if it gets the votes. Cool
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#17 - 2013-09-22 02:55:56 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Battleclinic is filled to the brim with bad fits. That fit has too much tank and way too little dps. Try something more like this:
.......
This one gets over 700 dps and well over 500 tank for the pricetag of one billion. If it still feels overtanked, you can replace one of the rigs with a tech 2 damage boosting rig, since there is plenty of spare PG and CPU left.

... over 700 dps?What?


With 6 Guns you can get that pretty easily, Cap is normally not very good though, with a Single Rep is OK though (40% stable or around there).

With 2X 5% Imps you can get almost 800 dps with conflag.

Dude, idk, I see 608 V stats, no imps. Cold, because let's be honest, you can't run a site in less than 51 seconds even with overheat.

Pyfa screenshot

I have a hard time believing that EFT and Pyfa would calculate damage in different ways but I can't really find other reasons why we get different numbers. That fit is shown with my current logistics implants. With DPS-focused implants the dps could et pretty silly.