These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Crime & Punishment

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Kill All Douchebags Movement

First post
Author
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#81 - 2013-09-14 07:01:39 UTC
Gaidin Hollow wrote:
To summarize, it would be nice for a PvP free zone but understandable it would be a miner and industrialist sanctuary and could break the economy. A big imbalance of risk vs cost.

No my biggest problem with C n P is it's taunting and insulting of players who are looking for answers. Not everyone knows the latest exploit, not everyone knows the newest scam or even old scams. You blame the victim without trying to place yourself in their shoes.

What we need is a Kill All Douchebags Movement (KADM)


So let us first clarify that you acknowledge this idea you are proposing in the first sentence is game breaking. Got it. Now onto the rest. C&P is not a forum based upon "taunting" other players. Mostly I see that 95% of the posts are Mercenaries looking for work or rather someone offering a contract.

I dunno where you get the notion that C&P is for solely "slandering" other players instead it is mainly a place where players actions are mocked or held in high praise depending upon the circumstance. Rather if a direct player was slandered the Moderators would simply ban said player. Simple as that.

Also this title of KADM sorely lacks originality. Please come up with something more witty like "Kill ALL Assad's Henchmen Movement." At least then it has relevancy and tact. As for the rest I scanned over it and well frankly it's got the substance of a Gelvon Goblin blog post with about half of the smug.

Might I suggest you and him both hold hand in hand as Panda's....

Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#82 - 2013-09-14 07:04:20 UTC
HUGO DRAX wrote:
Space prison. Interesting.


We're gonna need a lot of lube.
Donovan Draknevov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2013-09-15 00:13:16 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
. C&P is not a forum based upon "taunting" other players. Mostly I see that 95% of the posts are Mercenaries looking for work or rather someone offering a contract.

I dunno where you get the notion that C&P is for solely "slandering" other players instead it is mainly a place where players actions are mocked or held in high praise depending upon the circumstance. Rather if a direct player was slandered the Moderators would simply ban said player. Simple as that.


Pfft, right. And Chribba mines in the Veldnaught to fuel his Quaffe addiction. :P The thing is, there 's an awful lot of mocking the posters, usually because they don't learn the game. I don't know what 95% you're seeing, but the most I see are "game is broken" and "Let's hate on [Marmite, TEST, James315, etc]", as well as "This is our corp, join us to be a Space Dillweed"

Which is why I almost always follow up my not-so-scathing remarks with tips and tricks to help out those that get mocked here, so that eventually they'll be the ones posting awesome stories here.

Trust in the Rust

Veritaal
Veri-Tech Tax Haven
#84 - 2013-09-15 04:07:39 UTC
I'll bite on the obvious troll post.

These posts about adding a touch of 'realism' to EvE's criminal justice system always crack me up. You already have an omnipresent, instawarping, uberneuting, uberjamming army of space cops that can 1 shot a titan (tested on SiSi) the instant someone activates their guns. And you want more?

If you really wanted realism, you'd realize that the galaxy is a big place more akin to the wild west than anything. More realistically, CONCORD would deactivate your ship's modules upon entering highsec. There would be no missions or rats, since the faction navies and CONCORD would be able to keep their space clean by regulating traffic thru the stargates.

OR

CONCORD and the faction navies are horrendously incompetant, and pirates still slip through. If you want to go with this realistic route, CONCORD should be avoidable for capsuleers just like it apparently is for that Blood Raider battleship fleet that can shoot you all they want without drawing the space cops.

But nobody who makes anti PVP suggestions to make highsec safer do so because they want a more realistic experience. They want a carebear paradise where they can't be touched by other players.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#85 - 2013-09-16 06:17:26 UTC
The naughty people who do bad things repeatedly already end up in 'space prison'.

The prison is called low sec.

Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2013-09-16 07:13:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Andracin
Donovan Draknevov wrote:
C&P posts and replies should always be taken with a grain of salt, as well as a shot of Tequila.


I support this product and/or serviceLol


Gaidin Hollow wrote:
No my biggest problem with C n P is it's taunting and insulting of players who are looking for answers. Not everyone knows the latest exploit, not everyone knows the newest scam or even old scams. You blame the victim without trying to place yourself in their shoes.

What we need is a Kill All Douchebags Movement (KADM)


You seem to think that just because people like me kill people like you that this is all I have ever done in EVE. Between my two accounts have been a high sec mission runner, null bear, inventor, miner, builder, POS jockey, explorer and any other number of eve career paths. I have survived suicide ganks attempts, I have lost ships to them, and I participate in high sec ganking. The only EVE thing I have not tried so far is living in worm holes and flying coffins (super caps).

You also roll with the assumption that everyone who ganks/kills other people is a douchebag. This is also not the case. Do I feed off tears when provided to me in a silver chalise? Hellz yes. Do I take pity on polite players who ask me how I killed them, how to survive it, how to avoid getting in that situation? Hellz yes. Infact I've given away more isk to my victims than I've taken in in ransoms/loot in the last year. One of my corpmates recently felt so sorry for a two week old fw player who got awoxed by his own corp that he contracted the guy an incursus fit to the dudes skill set. So before you start calling people douchebags and telling us to walk in your shoes maybe you should walk in ours.

You also are free to kill us. Infact add me to your watchlist, if you see me on send me a convo and ask for a 1v1. I honor them 100% or your money back, even if it's not my fault the fight got interfered with.
Those of us with -10 sec status also are free-game to tackle on gates when we exit to high sec on ganking runs. You will even get assistance from the local police in ending the life of our gank ships. You can watchlist our known ganking pilots, put cloaking alts in our systems, call us out in local when we enter so everyone else knows we are on our way. You can form up fleets and come fight us like men, even if you die horribly you will still have our respect because you showed balls the other 99% of the rest of C&P whiners don't. There are any number of things in this, the best damn MMO on the market, that YOU can do to impact/improve/change the way the game is played, but coming to the den of thieves that is C&P and making a post like this will get you nothing but flames and trolls.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#87 - 2013-09-16 13:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Gaidin Hollow wrote:
Dark 0verlord wrote:
So leet criminals should be killed and bad noobs should farm in peace? Go play World of Warcraft. You would like it.



Nope just want to add realism.

Dude. Did you just fall off the turnip truck? *Realism?!* In a video game?
Or maybe you want a crime-free zone like all the ones found in real life... Oh, wait. There aren't any. None. Nowhere. Even Vatican City has crime. There's crime inside prisons, too. If you can't prevent crime in a jail, where can you prevent crime..?! Short answer: You can't.

So, if we wanted to make EVE more 'rea'l' for you we'd have to do... what..? I know! Remove the newbie protections! Yeah, that'd make it more realistic. Really.


In reality, douchebags not only survive, they positively thrive. Mostly because they're willing to do things that others won't do, and don't much care who they hurt. Kinda like in EVE.
So..."Reality" has been achieved already, without your intervention, yes?
Yes.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#88 - 2013-09-16 13:59:51 UTC
Gaidin Hollow wrote:

Well I say people keep comparing what they do in high sec as they would in RL. So in RL if repeat offenders keep committing the same crime over and over and over and ...
You *did* just fall off the turnip truck! You need to go down to the courthouse and watch 'justice' in action. They do *precisely* what you think they don't do: Same perps, same crimes, same scene, over and over, ad nauseum, for ever and ever, amen. The "Revolving Door" system of "justice," they call it.

Quote:
Well you get my point. I mean something should change right.
Why? It doesn't change in real life.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#89 - 2013-09-16 14:02:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Gaidin Hollow wrote:
Sublime Rage wrote:
@OP - you seem to think that doing bad things in eve is actually a bad thing for the game or something,which is really not the case,i am 100% sure ccp likes and encourages conflict....now considering that fact it would be rather stupid for them to heavily punish those that do involve themselves in conflict. this is a pvp game basically ,that's the bottom line.everything revolves around pvp,even industry



yes they do , faction warzones, dust 514, Null Sec roams and warp bubbles. Hell maybe a alot more I don't even know about. Yes conflict is awesome and encouraged in all aspects of the game.
Why on earth would anyone want to change that.
Have you seen CCP's advertisements? Honestly?

"Be the Villain."


That's what CCP says.
I think you need to go play another game - Clearly this one isn't for you.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2013-09-16 14:28:36 UTC
Gaidin Hollow wrote:
Froggy Storm wrote:
I am all for this plan. Just as long as those with >5.0 standing are subject to concord strength pirate spawns when ever they are more than 20km from a gate or station. Call it mafiaso putting hits on all the white knights. It is only fair after all.



You bring up a good point Pirate factions have their own space and last time I looked at the map pirate/null space is a lot bigger and vast then high sec space. Why should the douchebags do their business in their own yards when its much funner to do it in someone else's without worry of any true punishment.

In retro spec I understand even someone with high standing is by no means a saint. At least what I am offering is a buffer between the killing sprees.






what killing sprees? my miner has been ganked exactly once. i haul stuff around high sec all the time. i run incursions , i do missions, i sometimes get ganked in wh's and i have yet to lose a T1 hauler doing PI in low sec. this game is easy to avoid pvp while u do pve if u put the slightest effort into avoiding it. high sec is full of people doing the same stuff? why is it only a few people seem to find it hard? could it be that it is you that is the problem and not the game rules?
wait a sec i do remember i lost a missioning hawk (on an alt) because i didn't have an insta dock on a station in null sec doing guristas epic arc and a nado alpha'd me.
this is eve. losing ships is part of the cost of doing pve. higher isk/hr generally equates to more risk of losing a ship which needs to be factored into your calculation of whether you want to undertake that activity. losing ships often in high sec means u are doing something very very stupid.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2013-09-16 14:40:49 UTC
Sublime Rage wrote:
@OP - So you want to have highsec more realistic in comparisson to real life... this speaks volumes on your naivity on that matter.You think real life has perfect justice system?what the hell....if anything criminals are caught and get away with **** all day everyday in the courtrooms,and let's not forget about the ones that roam free and the police look the other way ( think of the very rich and powerful ) ...now if that's what you mean by realistic,i sure am on your side ...let's make exceptions and loopholes in the highsec "justice" system.
But if by realistic you mean your very own fantasy land where carebears hold hand and criminals are hauled away for ever so you can have rainbows growing out of every highsec corner i say to you : you are mad

Eve is not WoW,not here to hold your hand,whole point of it is to be a cold and ruthless world now stop it with the stupid posts =)) you dont have any supporters



maybe the OP is right. pay concord a few hundred mill and they will look the other way for 30 mins while u attack someone. a corrupt concord would be awesome. \o/ realism.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-09-16 21:49:00 UTC
Gaidin Hollow wrote:
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
Sol's pro-life-tip #213: If you want to spark a polite and healthy debate with a group of people don't call them 'douchebags' in the OP.



Well is everyone in C n P douchebags holy crude! No honestly did you read what I said about dochebags and who they are. As for what they are, well they are useful.


Post with your main of GTFO.

Also,

What have you lost?
The "safe" area is called HISEC.
Stay there.
You must be a complete pus*y if you think Eve is harsh and needs to be tuned down.
Eve Online is a kindergarden compared to Mortal Online for example and people play and enjoy both games.
Maybe Eve is just not for you?

All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.

Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#93 - 2013-09-16 22:31:32 UTC
I got ganked in high sec once, my killer lost a tornado to concord. I lost a T1 industrial filled with crap.

Then I bought a stealth bomber and exercised my kill right, my killer lost another tornado.

Then I found him in the same safe spot, as a suspect... my killer lost a third tornado.



Most fun I've had in quite a while, please don't "fix" anything! If you want payback against hi sec gankers, go get payback! there aren't any super-duper skills involved...
Drax Concrilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2013-09-16 22:51:12 UTC
I think this is a great idea! We should also implement a new ship, called the Unicorn, and allow Panda, Kitty, and/or Dog race characters into EVE.

Also, we should block ALL AGGRESSION in Hi Sec except for duels and make raids-- erm Incursions drop REALLY BLINGY LOOT that gives you an amazing advantage in PvP, such as never dying, AND it never drops off your wreck so you never lose it.


I mean, gud idea rite?
Maliandra
Doomheim
#95 - 2013-09-16 23:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Maliandra
nvm gonna new thread my idea since the OP is a bit all over the place.