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Am I allowed to do this (two accounts)?

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ExcalibursTemplar
CANZUK
#21 - 2013-09-16 21:13:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ExcalibursTemplar
Laertes Ansari wrote:
Hello! I really do not wish to get banned after my first three days Sad I will attempt to make this as succinct as possible. Bullet points, go!

- Took up someone's offer and am currently on my first 21 day trial (love the game, thus far).
- Messed up quite a bit, but also learned what I did wrong.
- Was hoping to simply make a new account and get a better/'correct' head start.
- Would only do this once. My general rule of thumb is one game, one account. No alternates for me.
- After making the new account I would permanently delete this one.

Now comes the "legality" issues:

- 1 day into free trial, friend offered to let me use his 21 day trial and mentioned the perks of the Buddy program.
- Friend stated he would take the PLEX, sell it, and split the profits (maybe a little something extra if I joined his corp).
- Just recently found out about the 3-month subscription special offer with the 'Starter Pack.'

My idea:

- Use ~18 days to only mine and make ISK on this trial (gives me some breathing room just in case).
- Take up friend's offer, use his 21 day trial, and immediately subscribe by buying the special offer.
- I start off with both the Starter Pack, a decent amount of ISK to get me started, and the knowledge to not screw up right out of the starting gate.


Mate this is genuine advice to you DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT try to play eve without extra characters. I came into eve with the same perspective as you years ago when i first started to play eve. As i do the same as you and only have one account/character in any game i ever play. It took me years though to click on that eve is so much easier when you have extra characters to do different things for yourself. You can do it all on one account but it so much harder and takes so much more time (i'm talking YEARS of training time) than if you have extra characters to play on.

If this really is your first account pick a carer that will make you money (ISK) then stick all your training in to maximizing that income. When your income gets high enough you can start to buy plexes with isk and use those to start training alt characters to do different things in game. So if you ever get bored with doing one thing you can always swap to a different character and do something completely different in game (a pvp alt in a null corp for pew pew is great).

A good starter carer choice at the moment is faction warfare as you can make billions of ISK doing that with relatively a low amount of skill points. Alternatively you could try training up your character to run L4 missions as that's good source of ISK. What ever you do though stay the hell away from mining at first and keep industry/mining for you alt characters.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-09-16 22:45:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
I can think of nothing more soul-crushing than grinding isk to plex alt characters.

If that's your thing then listen to ^^ that guy. Otherwise disregard. Eve (edit: and games) is about having fun, the isk will come. If you're new, and flying with a good corp, you shouldn't even have to jump through all the mission 'hoops' or do any of the stupendously low-reward 'newbie' activities. You can skip ahead to where the real isk is made, without having to look back and say "damnit those level 2s were a complete waste of weeks of my life". Corporations exist to make those first steps less daunting, find a good one.

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Laertes Ansari
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-09-17 06:26:57 UTC
Iamsamsara wrote:
You will not be able to send any isk from the trial account or create any contracts, keep that in mind when thinking you are going to send everything to the new character
I can, actually (send ISK, that is). See my last post (#14) for how I plan to do it! Big smile

Also, if someone could reread the first paragraph in that post I'd be grateful. I'm not sure if that type of baiting is allowed or not. It probably is, but I just wanted to check first.

CCP Sunset wrote:
Just a few tips for you[...]

I hope this helps, and that I didn't miss your actual question Blink
Excellent! Thanks a ton, Sunset Smile

Eram Fidard wrote:
Focus your energies on having fun, learning the game, and joining a group that can provide help/advice. Whatever you do, don't get into the 'game' of 'wallets online'
I only want to try the Industry mining tutorial missions, but isn't that what joining a corporation is all about? I've seen task-specific corps like ones that only mine or only do this or that, but isn't a good corporation all about having multiple sections/departments? Or maybe that's how I want a corp to be like, I'm not sure... Then again, I finally found the tab that shows the different types of corporation 'employees' and it looks pretty diverse.

Thanks a ton for all the assistance, thus far. You guys, and this game, are phenomenal :D

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#24 - 2013-09-17 07:08:46 UTC
Laertes Ansari wrote:
Nightcrawler, I've seen someone noob baiting just outside of the Kisogo State War Academy, but I wasn't sure whether that was a reportable offense. He turned his safety status to the middle one (he was orange with a flashing skull), noobs would shoot him, and then he'd destroy them because CONCORD doesn't interfere with those situations. I actually remember his name because it was related to Mass Effect, lol.


If you see someone doing this in a noob system you can report them. "Attempting to abuse a new player’s lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems."
But unless you see him doing it again i doubt reporting him now will do any good. Not 100% sure about that tho, CCP might decide to keep an eye on him at least.

And after skimming over some of the other posts.
It is fully possible to play EVE using only one character, however it will take you longer to be "decent" in several professions. Personally i used to have a second character, but for the past..5 years or so i have only used one character (not counting other characters on the account that have inactive roles such as holding CEO's as an example).
But most players end up getting at least one alt, because it does make some things easier (and if you ever want a super cap i would say an alt is a must).

You also mentioned that you have started to look for a corp. Be very careful when your researching the different corporations. Many will look good on paper (or their adverts) but in some cases you will find that the recruiters have...bent the truth a bit to make their corporation look more lucrative.
I would suggest that you read over this guide which contains advice from recruiters, recruits, CEO's and similar that can help you figure out what to avoid and what to look for when you feel ready to join a corp.

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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#25 - 2013-09-17 08:10:00 UTC
Laertes Ansari wrote:


And you are correct that trial accounts cannot transfer ISK. While I marvel at the ideas you listed, I prefer my approach. I'll go to an unpopulated system and use the market. With my first account I'll sell my 1 Tritanium, buy it with the second account and immediately sell it again, and then use all of my ISK on my first account to buy the Tritanium, thus transferring my ISK from one account to the other (while both accounts are in their free trials, as well).

:)


Make sure you fully understand how the market works before trying this.

You can not chose which order you buy/sell from and other players do set up orders that buy/sell over the entire region.

So you would have to go to a very quiet region to try this.

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ExcalibursTemplar
CANZUK
#26 - 2013-09-17 09:29:29 UTC
Eram Fidard[b wrote:
]I can think of nothing more soul-crushing than grinding isk to plex alt characters[/b].

If that's your thing then listen to ^^ that guy. Otherwise disregard. Eve (edit: and games) is about having fun, the isk will come. If you're new, and flying with a good corp, you shouldn't even have to jump through all the mission 'hoops' or do any of the stupendously low-reward 'newbie' activities. You can skip ahead to where the real isk is made, without having to look back and say "damnit those level 2s were a complete waste of weeks of my life". Corporations exist to make those first steps less daunting, find a good one.


Its at most 10 hours a month of L4 running, 5 or 6 hours a month of Incursion running and even less time if he sets up a faction warfare character.

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-09-17 09:32:47 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
ExcalibursTemplar wrote:
Eram Fidard[b wrote:
]I can think of nothing more soul-crushing than grinding isk to plex alt characters[/b].

If that's your thing then listen to ^^ that guy. Otherwise disregard. Eve (edit: and games) is about having fun, the isk will come. If you're new, and flying with a good corp, you shouldn't even have to jump through all the mission 'hoops' or do any of the stupendously low-reward 'newbie' activities. You can skip ahead to where the real isk is made, without having to look back and say "damnit those level 2s were a complete waste of weeks of my life". Corporations exist to make those first steps less daunting, find a good one.


Its at most 10 hours a month of L4 running, 5 or 6 hours a month of Incursion running and even less time if he sets up a faction warfare character.



The issue I see with a lot of people is they see an alt as a burden to PLEX, when they could use that character to grind it's monthly PLEX & spend no more time on grinding isk than they normally would. Take it from the guy that grinds up 5 PLEX a month in a total of 10 hours.

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-09-17 16:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
Laertes Ansari wrote:
And you are correct that trial accounts cannot transfer ISK. While I marvel at the ideas you listed, I prefer my approach. I'll go to an unpopulated system and use the market. With my first account I'll sell my 1 Tritanium, buy it with the second account and immediately sell it again, and then use all of my ISK on my first account to buy the Tritanium, thus transferring my ISK from one account to the other (while both accounts are in their free trials, as well).

:)


You will suffer from taxes and broker fees with this approach. I would second NightCrawler's idea and jettison the cargo in a quiet area instead. There is actually less chance someone will steal it than buy it out from under you. Also, you can right click and "Abandon cargo container" to make it free to anyone. This will allow your second account to loot it without getting flagged.

Or you can always find a reliable third party and trade them your stuff. "Reliable" being the keyword which will be difficult! I'd be happy to help, though my only real reference is posting often in the new player forum (I care about noobs!) :)

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Titan's Lament
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#29 - 2013-09-17 17:24:20 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Laertes Ansari wrote:


And you are correct that trial accounts cannot transfer ISK. While I marvel at the ideas you listed, I prefer my approach. I'll go to an unpopulated system and use the market. With my first account I'll sell my 1 Tritanium, buy it with the second account and immediately sell it again, and then use all of my ISK on my first account to buy the Tritanium, thus transferring my ISK from one account to the other (while both accounts are in their free trials, as well).

:)


Make sure you fully understand how the market works before trying this.

You can not chose which order you buy/sell from and other players do set up orders that buy/sell over the entire region.

So you would have to go to a very quiet region to try this.


Pay no attention to that warning behind the curtain. There is nothing at all wrong with your tritanium plan.

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Ikkitousen
Doom Generation
Best Intentions.
#30 - 2013-09-21 17:07:30 UTC
CCP Sunset wrote:
Just a few tips for you:

* It is fine to have more than 1 account, you can use the same email address on multiple accounts.
* You must use the link provided by your friend or the link in the Buddy invitation email to take advantage of the 21 day Buddy trial. It is important that you are logged out of any existing account when you follow the link.
* Many offers cannot be combined with the Buddy Program, they will not appear in Account Management for you, so please check what is available before you count on combining offers in this way.
* Check out the terms and conditions of the Buddy Program, these are linked in the invitation, the page where you create your trial, and from your Account Management page. Some payment methods are not eligible for your friend to receive a reward, or might have restricted rewards (such as not eligible for PLEX) .
* When you upgrade your trial you will NOT lose any remaining trial days, these are added to your total subscription time.

I hope this helps, and that I didn't miss your actual question Blink If in doubt it is a good idea to file a support ticket (press F12 in-game, create from the website or by email to support@eveonline.com) and ask a billing GM for advice on your specific case.


Is there a reason that some of the benefits we get by getting the "Starter-Pack" are redundant or completely useless? I get we can sell extra skillbooks and all, but some players max out their 21 days before upgrading and may have purchased some books. That is a lesser issue compared to books being given out that your character starts with by default.

The other issue, also relates to maxing out the time spent in the trial. If you take all 21 days, then upgrade for the $24.95 US and get the 3 months with the Starter Pack, you get an implant. However, that very nice implant only works for 26 days or so, which it counts from the creation of your account, not the beginning of a non-trial. The only way to maximize the use of this implant is to sign up on day one of the trial. I'm not sure how that is beneficial to new players getting to know the game and making a decision.
It also keeps a player making an alt from using the implant if they didn't know ahead of time.

I reckon the Starter Pack could use a revamp and make it more useful. In my opinion, the main benefit now is just a cheaper 3 months of game-time.
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