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Why EVE University is a Pox Upon this Game
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Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#81 - 2011-11-14 06:14:07 UTC
Haulin Aussie wrote:
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Written Word wrote:
How do you let a "carebear organization" make you cry so much?

Because CCP is starting to listen to the carebear whining and it is ruining this game. EVE University is at the forefront of that whining. They churn out most of the carebears in this game.


But you are a carebear too...


lol

Seriously tho, has anyone seen poetic actually in the game?



yes I saw her passing through tribute about a week ago.


pics or it didnt happen O.o

GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.

Where is your God now carebear?
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2011-11-14 06:21:42 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
pics or it didnt happen O.o

Here. :P
Mirima Thurander
#83 - 2011-11-14 06:36:36 UTC
I do believe EvE Uni should trim the fat. There starting to look less and less like the old Uni i use to like and more and more like a over bloated highsec corp.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2011-11-14 07:31:23 UTC
This will be my last Uni post for quite awhile. If Kelduum decides to run for CSM7, I may have to do some posting to try to derail his ******-up Spreadsheets-in-Space (SiS) campaign.

Unless the Uni does something monumentally stupid in the near future, then there's not much to write about concerning the Uni and CCP's willingness to buff highsec security.

For those confused about what gets me so ******* riled up about the Uni ---

What bugs me is all the cheering I see in the Uni forums and on Mumble for every highsec buff that comes along (not too mention the general feeling that things like ganking and wardecs should be removed entirely from highsec space.) For ****'s sake ... the Uni is supposed to be teaching their students that EVE is a rough and tumble game, not encouraging the sort of carebear whining we see on the forums every single day. They should be a force that educates on the principles of this game, not encourages people to whine and moan about highsec ganking and wardecs. The one principle they should teach above all else (hell, it should be their motto) is "EVE is conflict. Conflict is good."
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#85 - 2011-11-14 08:03:25 UTC
Eve uni is hilariously bad at everything in game and I very much doubt anyone learns anything useful in it. That said, I don't think they hurt anything or anyone but themselves. As for them proposing game damaging changes that CCP actually listens to, well yeah but they aren't the first. The very existence of jump bridges, jump freighters, bubbles, and static moon resources are the fruits of null sec carebear whining. None of them have any place in a game like this but they are there none the less and they aren't going anywhere. I don't see eve uni pushing through any meaningful changes, I just don't have any confidence in their ability to type up a cohesive request.Lol

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Nimrod Nemesis
Doomheim
#86 - 2011-11-14 08:08:46 UTC
King Rothgar wrote:
The very existence of jump bridges, jump freighters, bubbles, and static moon resources are the fruits of null sec carebear whining. None of them have any place in a game like this but they are there none the less and they aren't going anywhere.


+1
Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#87 - 2011-11-14 08:25:55 UTC
King Rothgar wrote:
Eve uni is hilariously bad at everything in game and I very much doubt anyone learns anything useful in it. That said, I don't think they hurt anything or anyone but themselves. As for them proposing game damaging changes that CCP actually listens to, well yeah but they aren't the first. The very existence of jump bridges, jump freighters, bubbles, and static moon resources are the fruits of null sec carebear whining. None of them have any place in a game like this but they are there none the less and they aren't going anywhere. I don't see eve uni pushing through any meaningful changes, I just don't have any confidence in their ability to type up a cohesive request.Lol

I agree. EVE was a much better place before those "additions".
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#88 - 2011-11-14 08:30:10 UTC
Justin Credulent wrote:
I'm tired of reading you cry about E-UNI.

If you want risk, go to low-sec. If you want conflict, convince the null-sec carebears to actually start fighting eachother.


OP irritates me more then any potential carebear-organisation.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
seany1212
M Y S T
#89 - 2011-11-14 09:02:52 UTC
Kalmanaka wrote:
Eve is based on conflict. Whether it's fighting in ships, scamming, or competing in the market, it's conflict that makes the game what it is. Anything done to remove conflict, or make it possible to avoid conflict, ruins the game. Whats worse is that if you teach new players that they should be upset at a war, you're doing nothing but ruining the entire game experience for them. Instead of being excited at the idea of combat, they get all emo and whine about it. Instead of the game being fun, it brings misery and disappointment.

There's a thousand games out there with no real loss. A thousand games where you can die and magically reappear with all your stuff. Turning Eve into one of those games will destroy the entire concept of a "cold, dark, harsh place." I think with the recent changes to wardec immunity rules, Eve finally crossed that line where it can no longer claim to be a cold, dark, harsh place.


This and only this. The uni is indeed full of carebears, and will probably grow fuller of them due to a virtually guaranteed Dec-shield, they have fielded rather large fleets no different to many null sec alliances and along with news that there CEO plays killboard padding games despite the fact they're supposed to be commited to newbie training makes me wonder how many active noobs they train. EVE is what a single person makes of it, if they're going to stick around they'll most likely do it at there own conclusion. I know many who've never been through eve uni and to be honest they're probably better players for it as they discovered themselves how to play their game, not told how to
Michael Holmes Holmes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2011-11-14 09:16:23 UTC
This is yet another thread that I fail to understand.

Yeah, lets just start whining about a corp that trains new players in a environment that might just make them want to play the game a bit longer.

I mean, heavens forbid, why would we ever want new players to feel like they have anything to contribute to the game other than a steady supply of tears for gankers. Why would you ever want new players to feel welcome when we can have all these bittervets complain about how useless they are.

These posts are getting more and more boring.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2011-11-14 18:47:05 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Kalmanaka wrote:
Eve is based on conflict. Whether it's fighting in ships, scamming, or competing in the market, it's conflict that makes the game what it is. Anything done to remove conflict, or make it possible to avoid conflict, ruins the game. Whats worse is that if you teach new players that they should be upset at a war, you're doing nothing but ruining the entire game experience for them. Instead of being excited at the idea of combat, they get all emo and whine about it. Instead of the game being fun, it brings misery and disappointment.

There's a thousand games out there with no real loss. A thousand games where you can die and magically reappear with all your stuff. Turning Eve into one of those games will destroy the entire concept of a "cold, dark, harsh place." I think with the recent changes to wardec immunity rules, Eve finally crossed that line where it can no longer claim to be a cold, dark, harsh place.


This and only this. The uni is indeed full of carebears, and will probably grow fuller of them due to a virtually guaranteed Dec-shield, they have fielded rather large fleets no different to many null sec alliances and along with news that there CEO plays killboard padding games despite the fact they're supposed to be commited to newbie training makes me wonder how many active noobs they train. EVE is what a single person makes of it, if they're going to stick around they'll most likely do it at there own conclusion. I know many who've never been through eve uni and to be honest they're probably better players for it as they discovered themselves how to play their game, not told how to

Could not agree more with Kalmanaka and Seany1212.
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2011-11-14 18:56:52 UTC
Look Poetic. I'm sorry that the CEO of Eve University never called you back after that night of drunken sex.

He's just not that into you.
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#93 - 2011-11-14 19:05:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Iosue
Here's an idea, why don't you start your own University instead of continually ragging on EUNI?? That way you can show all of New Eden how a real teaching organization should be run.

TLDR; put up or shut up.

That is all.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2011-11-15 04:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Iosue wrote:
Here's an idea, why don't you start your own University instead of continually ragging on EUNI?? That way you can show all of New Eden how a real teaching organization should be run.
Or they can finally decide if they want to be a carebear organization, harbouring year-old mission and incursion runners ... or if they'd like to actually be a training organization. I support the latter, I do not support the former.


My work is done.

Most posts in recent weeks, on the forums and in blogs, that discuss CCP's diminishing of PvP in highsec now also mention E-Uni in the same breath. That's a win in my books. People connect the two. As it should be.

As quick example:
http://madhaberdashers.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/blog-banter-30-finally-our-long-interstellar-nightmare-is-over/


What of the 1000 dedicated, long-time industrialist carebears still in the Uni? (Only 500 members are teachers, mentors and students.) The majority membership in the Uni has no role whatsoever in teaching. They are miners and haulers and mission runners, running with 500M - 1B ISK incursion ships. Hardly the trappings of a newbie organization.

I think it's about time the Uni returned to their roots, became a teaching corporation again. A thousand current Unistas need to be kicked to the curb and form into corporations that serve their specific purpose. A training corporation (if that is what the Uni really wants to be) is not the place for them.
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#95 - 2011-11-15 04:12:46 UTC
Waa waaa some people play the game differently than me! Make them stop CCP!
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2011-11-15 04:16:01 UTC
Teamosil wrote:
Waa waaa some people play the game differently than me! Make them stop CCP!

People can play the game however they choose. The Uni, though, does not get to lobby CCP for highsec/PvP changes on the pretense that they are a training organization, when any imbecile who examines their membership can see that ~1000 members are very much not trainees, nor do they participate in training.
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#97 - 2011-11-15 04:34:18 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
People can play the game however they choose. The Uni, though, does not get to lobby CCP for highsec/PvP changes on the pretense that they are a training organization, when any imbecile who examines their membership can see that ~1000 members are very much not trainees, nor do they participate in training.


If you honestly believe that CCP misunderstands what Eve-U is about, you've certainly more than done your part to clear that up for them. It seems to me like you're not just interested in alerting CCP to what you believe to be misrepresentation. I'm sure that CCP knows exactly what Eve-U is like. They let folks stick around and carebear or whatever else after they aren't really in training anymore. That's no secret. I don't think Eve-U pretends otherwise, do they? Training and providing a welcoming environment for new players is their angle, that doesn't mean that it is like unethical to let those players hang around longer if they want. If you think they're like tricking CCP into believing that they are exclusively about training new players and that that gives them some undue influence, alerting CCP to your views should suffice, no?

As I side note, I just read through your circumnavigation blog posts. Good stuff. I'm always on the wormhole/null fence, so it was a good perspective.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2011-11-15 04:40:20 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
This will be my last Uni post for quite awhile


If only
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2011-11-15 05:31:02 UTC
Teamosil wrote:
I don't think Eve-U pretends otherwise, do they?
Sure they do. Scroll up through this thread, or other threads. They complain about anyone wanting to "attack a newbie corporation", or what pleasure do people get "wardeccing a training corporation." They actively further the notion that they are a corporation full of newbies/trainees. That is most definitely not the case. They lobby CCP on the pretense that by helping the Uni they are helping newbies. In fact newbies are a minority in the Uni, what is being protected are ~1000 industrialists and mission runners. Again, 500M-1B ISK ships are hardly indicative of a newbie corporation.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#100 - 2011-11-15 05:38:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
pics or it didnt happen O.o

Here. :P


yeah cause you taking a pic of youself totally proves you play,,,

you couldnt have logged in for the purpose of that pic or anything lol

hey wait its not even a pic, just a blog lol

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes