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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2011-11-14 23:04:59 UTC
If you look the amount of daily plex trading in 1 year market history, the demand has not been rising too much.

Either there is some severe market manipulation going on or the supply has dropped dramatically over past few months.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - wouldn't be the 1st time.

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Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#42 - 2011-11-14 23:14:08 UTC
XavierVE wrote:
SWTOR is to EVE what rabbits are to airplanes, little one.


Thanks for that, captain obvious. However, I was not having a debate about game mechanics. It was simply a statement that by that time another game will be out that is interest to me. Work on your reading comprehension.
Jita Alt666
#43 - 2011-11-14 23:15:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Alt666
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
If you look the amount of daily plex trading in 1 year market history, the demand has not been rising too much.

Either there is some severe market manipulation going on or the supply has dropped dramatically over past few months.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - wouldn't be the 1st time.


I partially concur with your view: something is strangling supply. If this were purely manipulation we would have seen a lift in sales. Perhaps we did during the Incarna drama - and it was controlled to maintain sales levels at pre Incarna rates. The effort and isk supply to do that extended for 6 months is pretty heavy.


Edit: sells have dropped to 486 over last 3 hours.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2011-11-14 23:22:33 UTC
I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.

This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win.

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Jita Alt666
#45 - 2011-11-14 23:52:29 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.

This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win.


For some people refusing to buy equals inability to play. The balance will be when is the grind for the majority of plexers no longer worth the ability to log on.
Barakkus
#46 - 2011-11-14 23:56:31 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.

This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win.


I stopped purchasing plex for my alt once they went over 370.

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Ann133566
Doomheim
#47 - 2011-11-15 00:00:06 UTC
I pay for my sub now. Not worth the hassle to raise that amount of ISK when you could be doing something fun and that you enjoy. Feel sorry for those with multiple alts...kinda
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#48 - 2011-11-15 00:10:15 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.

This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win.


I stopped purchasing plex for my alt once they went over 370.


I haven't bought any since 350, and i won't pay more than 360, main or not.
Barakkus
#49 - 2011-11-15 00:12:29 UTC
Famble wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:

You don't have 30$ a month but have enough free time to grind for one billion isk?


I always find myself saying this to myself too. I don't get it.


Things sometimes happen in the current economic climate in the world that makes things a little harder...like taking pay cuts so deep you have to start making cuts in just about every aspect of your life to stay afloat...not everyone has money coming out of their asses you know.

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Famble
Three's a Crowd
#50 - 2011-11-15 00:17:16 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Famble wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:

You don't have 30$ a month but have enough free time to grind for one billion isk?


I always find myself saying this to myself too. I don't get it.


Things sometimes happen in the current economic climate in the world that makes things a little harder...like taking pay cuts so deep you have to start making cuts in just about every aspect of your life to stay afloat...not everyone has money coming out of their asses you know.


I realize that. I'm not a rich man, I guess I just sound like it cause I can dump $30/month on my video game budget.

Anyhoo, if I'm needed I'll be in the study sipping brandy and smoking a cigar next to the fire... (I'm actually in the garage smoking a Camel with a crappy space heater)

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2011-11-15 00:21:33 UTC
Yep...

I'm going to fund my accounts rather with €uro subscription than buy plex worth more than 400m. It's not that I couldn't afford to play with isk, but the isk vs time ratio starts to go wrong.

One rather reliable way to convert iskies to time is to calculate how long you would have to mine in hisec to gain enough basic minerals to fund 30 days worth of game time. Hisec mineral prices should reflect the global eve economy rather well and are not too easy to manipulate over short term.

I've come to conclusion that 350m is pretty much the limit where plex should ever go with current mineral prices. 400m is definately the cap.

Obviously people have many methods of obtaining isk and some make more in a day than others make in years. However it all still boils to the question: would you buy 1€ bottle of milk with 10€ just because someone else thinks you can afford it?

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Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#52 - 2011-11-15 00:34:06 UTC
People stopped selling PLEX to buy super caps with the incoming winter nerf.

Also when people stopped playing as happened since Incarna, not many new PLEX were added to the market, after all why invest real money in a game that appears to be dying? What we see now is simply people using up the massive stockpiles already in game.

Prices should be back to more normal levels a month or two after the winter expansion when everyone is happy again and people want to invest money in space pixels once again.

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Michelle Vega
Bunny and switchblade
#53 - 2011-11-15 00:38:10 UTC
We (as a corp) don't see any reason to put prices for Plex higher. We've been selling Plex to our customers (40+/month) for 369m all of this year and have no intent of increasing prices unless RL prices for GTC go up.

Seems like a new Jita Cartel Scam to try for easy profits. GL with that.
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King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#54 - 2011-11-15 00:41:16 UTC
Some good speculation on the causes here but I don't think it's possible for us to say with certainty unless CCP gives us a report on how many plex's are being bought. Anyways, I've been covering 2 accounts wtih plex's for a years. I could pay the $30 a month to keep them going but why bother when I can just grind that in an hour or two. Yes I make more IRL on a per hour basis but I grind that isk to kill time while waiting for something more interesting to happen. In effect, it's an alternative to station spinning.

All that said, plex prices are getting pretty harsh. I can still afford them but my casual isk grinding is starting to feel a little grindy. So I may take a break for a few months. Skyrim and BF3 are certainly consuming a lot of my time lately.Cool

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2011-11-15 00:41:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Stormshadow
Would be nice to see some actual ccp statistics about real world currency plex purchases from past year.

In other words how many new plex is going to the game and has there been such great variation than some are suggesting.

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rufeno
Black Frog Logistics
Red-Frog
#56 - 2011-11-15 04:16:06 UTC
Carlos Aranda wrote:

maybe CCP want to drive out all those people, who do not pay real money for their game?

and then increase NEX shop and Gold ammunition... big business, you know?


you do realise that even if we pay with plex, someone bought that plex for us with real money?

Major Templar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#57 - 2011-11-15 11:44:06 UTC
Sadly this will end my Eve gaming life. I can't afford to pay RL for this game and with the current trend in prices I can't afford to pay In-Game either.

I will resub in a few months to a year when I can actually find a job in RL.
Jak'rat
Doomheim
#58 - 2011-11-15 11:59:24 UTC
rufeno wrote:
Carlos Aranda wrote:

maybe CCP want to drive out all those people, who do not pay real money for their game?

and then increase NEX shop and Gold ammunition... big business, you know?


you do realise that even if we pay with plex, someone bought that plex for us with real money?



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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#59 - 2011-11-15 12:09:14 UTC

While it's a little far-fetched to expect CCP to release numbers, it might be possible to hear from GTC resellers like BC and SC to hear how sales are going. I think a lot of the PLEX that are sold for isk (rather than redeemed by the purchaser) are created via GTC. A decline in GTC sales might indicate the lower supply of PLEX.

If anyone from those sites is willing to pass along that info, I'd be curious.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#60 - 2011-11-15 12:15:26 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
People stopped selling PLEX to buy super caps with the incoming winter nerf.




I really like that viewpoint. As with that nerf players dont have a really big goal anymore to work towards. I mean the T3 BC are only like 30-50mill or something and with that nerf no more excitement of going big and doing well and selling plexes are worth it. CCP could launch huge star bases for corps that cost alot of isk. Then maybe rich megacorps might start selling plex again to the market. Players just need some ambition then it might get better, but not sure what the biggest goal is now with the supers nerf.

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