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How to Achieve Financial Freedom?
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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-09-16 13:13:40 UTC
The best things to trade are things that are used and lost every day.

SO, essentially, pvp supplies.

In FW lowsec? Sell cruisers, frigates (t1 and t2) battlecruisers, and mostly named fittings. Add to that ammo/drones/paste/cap charges and you have a diverse 'basket' to invest in.

In NPC 0.0? Sell interdictors, warp bubbles, interceptors, and lots of t2 drones.

It's all about the research, as others have said, but those are some good generalisations to get you started.

TIP: When I started, I was moving brutixes loaded with t2 drones (100 or so in cargo) with 6x WCS in lows. This was to lowsec, and was before the days of heavy interdictors, so it would take a particularly good gatecamp to catch me. Looking back now, it was incredibly inefficient, certainly was interesting though.

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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#42 - 2013-09-16 13:34:34 UTC
So i think there has been one really big glaring thing missing from this whole discussion.

Making isk is good and well and there are many options.

The trick is to save money by having a pvp or whatever playing style that matches that income. And you can have fun with quite low income.

So if your only making 100M per month don't be going out in Battle Cruisers. Even cruisers tend to be at the high end. Hell even t2 frigates are going to take a bite out of that. But you can afford to lose one or 2 a month. Stick with frigates and be cheap about it. I love flying my 2-5M rifters. Hell t1 frigs with 1M skill points are still plenty of fun.

Otherwise i have found a sold income with WH PI. I have dual trained my other toons so i can have 5 planets x 3 characters (seriously don't bother with lvl 5 unless you really need it). Making about 500M per month. Just got to watch for bombers and cloaky t3s at the customs. I could optimize more and probably make more... But meh..

But seriously the trick to having enough isk is like having enough money in RL. Its about not spending what you don't have. If you expecting to fly a nightmare with officer mods you going to need a lot of isk coming in and every man and his dog wants to kill you. Small T1 ships are small and cheap.... and still loads of fun.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.
Jessi Burns
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-09-16 13:43:51 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I've been playing of 3 months and I'm still pretty much broke. The market is too complex and there is always going to be someone who instantly undercuts you. Mission running goes so boring. Exploration takes too long and so often the rewards aren't worth it. And you can never make a profit from pvp when your new. mining and industry is slow and often not worth it.

In other words unless you want to spend hours grinding then plex really is the only way to make money. This gain panders relentlessly to the old player base and dooms new players to oblivion.


I find this post to be incredibly negative and false. This weekend I spent about 6 hours fleet pvping (plexing when I wasn't needed) and made 90mil profit. Critical thing to take into account is that I'm a very new character. If you aren't making money in this game it's because you're either lazy or inept.
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#44 - 2013-09-16 13:59:00 UTC
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If you aren't making money in this game it's because you're either lazy or inept.

I think that is a little unfair. For a lot of new players, its meeting the right people. That is being in a corp or group can help a lot. Knowing what and where you can and can't make isk is stuff that is not really easy to google.

Eve is a MMO and getting the right group of M for you is an important part of success in this game. More so for new players where the tutorials are just not a very good introduction to eve.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.
Neesha Marinn
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-09-16 13:59:59 UTC
Daler Farmon wrote:

PPS. The best advice for u, open new acc and see how u will be able to get PLEX, u "dear amazing socially active man".

My dear oblivious little nublet.

I *have* new accounts, with around 1.5m sp.
They *do* operate on their own and make their own ISK.
One month from now? They can fund themselves.

But hey!
Keep buying PLEX man! CCP will love you for it. I'll buy them from you with my own home made ISK.

:D
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-09-16 14:38:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
embrel wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:


I'm already at level 4s solo so its not too bad. Its just that they take so long to do.


do you use a sentry ship?

since I bought a Dominix, L4's have become very comfortable.


no raven



What type of DPS are you getting out of it?
Ravens are usually overtanked, too slow moving, and don't hit small targets quite hard enough.

I've found that an autocannon Machariel or Maelstrom can get most missions done in about 15-25 minutes depending on difficulty. Enemies abound Part V and some others being exceptions (ones where you have to wait around for spawns).

Raven is very forgiving but far from ideal.


Ok its a navy raven.

just below 500 with cruiser missiles, add about 50 or so with the drones. Generally I engage battleships-cruisers with the missiles then let the drones take out any frigates that engage me. I try to keep the enemy at range of about 40-70 to keep damage down as tank is a problem.

Elena Thiesant wrote:


I'm getting them done in about an hour for the harder ones, less for the easier ones. Sure, it's not the L3s that i was finishing in 15 min flat, but it's not that bad.


I'm probadly doing the same but I have to go back to the station, get the noctis and salavage so it takes a bit further onto each mission.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-09-16 14:46:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Jessi Burns wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I've been playing of 3 months and I'm still pretty much broke. The market is too complex and there is always going to be someone who instantly undercuts you. Mission running goes so boring. Exploration takes too long and so often the rewards aren't worth it. And you can never make a profit from pvp when your new. mining and industry is slow and often not worth it.

In other words unless you want to spend hours grinding then plex really is the only way to make money. This gain panders relentlessly to the old player base and dooms new players to oblivion.


I find this post to be incredibly negative and false. This weekend I spent about 6 hours fleet pvping (plexing when I wasn't needed) and made 90mil profit. Critical thing to take into account is that I'm a very new character. If you aren't making money in this game it's because you're either lazy or inept.


http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1675337

I'm not in a fleet or in FW. I just go to these areas to fight and die
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#48 - 2013-09-16 16:10:51 UTC
Paul Strikes Again! Now if only I could find those T2 weapon skills....

JUSTK is recruiting
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2013-09-16 16:26:37 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Paul Strikes Again! Now if only I could find those T2 weapon skills....

He even trained T2 rockets now he's done with the L4 boat Blink

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]
Jessi Burns
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-09-16 16:27:51 UTC
If you are not prepared to fight and win (I definitely am not) it is fairly easy to plex quiet systems for easy lp. Easy lp = easy money.
Ranlea Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-09-16 16:47:20 UTC
Best of luck in establishing yourself Harris. It is never easy in any MMO that has an established player base.

A personal view is to not worry overmuch about gold, plat, Isk etc at this stage on the assumption you are fairly new (like me). Just focus on leveling up which I think in this game means earning enough to pay for the skill books you need to level, and focus on one thing at a time.

Don't fly anything you cannot afford to loose - which includes factoring in the cost of equipping it plus insurance if you feel that is relevant

Quests (Missions I think they are called here) may well give rewards, especially the tutorials

It is a game (not a job)

PS, I remember when I started playing Guild Wars 2 - anyone else play that here ? .........Well when it launched last August as a brand new game a few players had a lot of gold early on (and not all purchased it via gems either) Well that was mostly got via trading.........but I suspect here that might be harder and more capital intensive...........well I did OK there by just salvaging everything I could and selling it (wood, ore etc)

Here mining might be ok but to start it can be slow, and take 3 months or so to have a good state of the art ship

So here in Eve online (and unlike some "other MMOs" you cannot level up in 2 or 3 weeks........patience is the key.

Hope this helps
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-09-16 20:07:53 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I'm not in a fleet or in FW. I just go to these areas to fight and die


This has essentially been your problem all along. I understand that you like your corp, but if they aren't doing the things you want to do in the game you are only hurting yourself by staying with them.

For the OP, trading is a great way for new players to get income with almost no skills (it can even be done on an alt with half a day's training!) Many of the older players forget that you are still learning about different items, so no, it's not always obvious what will make a good trade. But don't listen to other young players who had bad experiences. Start small and put isk into a wide range of items until you get a feel for what is likely to sell and what isn't.

This is a great page to get you started.

This page will help you select good items to trade.

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