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Is there a way to turn off Margin Trading.. and make full deposits to escrow ?

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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#1 - 2013-09-15 23:40:10 UTC
Is there a way to turn off Margin Trading.. and make full deposits to escrow ?

I accidentally trained it on one minor trading character and it came on a character I bought.

It is driving me nuts as I need to keep a couple billion in my active wallet to cover the purchases as my purchases are focused and I want to buy them all.

I've played the game long enough to know that I don't want more than a few hundred million in my active account... one slip of the "enter" key. after putting quantity in price field or clicking purchase on something with 3 extra digits can lead to a huge loss... that I protect myself of by keeping my balances low enough to reduce "worst case" scenario .

Splitting stacks on the sell side can also be advisable.. but it is easier to be aware a huge risk when you're putting a billion isk stack of something for sale.

The worst losses are often when you're dealing with something fairly inexpensive.


I can't "unlearn" a skill. Is there any interface feature I am missing to place the full amount to cover into escrow manually?

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Adunh Slavy
#2 - 2013-09-15 23:50:53 UTC
Nope.

As for the situation you describe ... yes it is very stupid design choice by CCP.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#3 - 2013-09-16 00:13:22 UTC
Thanks.. I guess I'll experiment with buy orders for separate corporate wallets. Most of my traders belong to small "privately owned" corporations. Fragment buy orders iby wallet division? would that work. (a bit unnecessarily tedious even if it did)

I'm not sure I'd like to see developer resources put into it. ... I wonder If I could just petition politely to have the skill marked to "unlearned" or "level 0" for the two characters involved. Do front-line GMs have some easy keys to click to reduce skill level to 0 if policy permitted it?

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Adunh Slavy
#4 - 2013-09-16 04:12:10 UTC
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
Do front-line GMs have some easy keys to click to reduce skill level to 0 if policy permitted it?



Honestly, I don't know. I suspect not, if they started doing such a thing, they'd be flooded with defender missle requests.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

X ATM092
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-09-16 04:30:57 UTC
Open up the orders section of the wallet and read how much you need to have there to cover all outstanding orders. Put that much in your wallet and pretend it's not there. Increase with every new order.
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#6 - 2013-09-16 05:14:22 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
Open up the orders section of the wallet and read how much you need to have there to cover all outstanding orders. Put that much in your wallet and pretend it's not there. Increase with every new order.

And risk billions if you flick keys wrong.

No thanks... I know it happens.. I sell plenty of 500 million plus mods that are supposed to sell for 500 thousand

I don't like being on the giving end of it after getting burned that way myself.


I did buy a 100 million isk clone the other day when all I needed was one that cost 7 million or something... ..thankfully the most expensive clone wasn't 1 billion isk.

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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#7 - 2013-09-16 05:21:24 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
Do front-line GMs have some easy keys to click to reduce skill level to 0 if policy permitted it?



Honestly, I don't know. I suspect not, if they started doing such a thing, they'd be flooded with defender missle requests.


Yeah, I don't want them to waste resources if it it would be more than 5 minutes effort for a few dozen people a week or something.

I guess I'll need to try to get "unlearn skill" put on future "little things" lists.

I think Margin trading is broken in many more ways and any request for something more adjustable would be part of a larger reworking....

So glad I didn't train it on my real station traders.. phewwwww... the hours I spend on standing would have all gone to waste...




LOL damn .. I wasn't supposed to train Defender Missles? what is going to happen.... normal missles will act like defender missiles and get me concorded or something?javascript:if (typeof posting=='undefined'||posting!=true) {posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');}

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#8 - 2013-09-16 05:55:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhivre
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
X ATM092 wrote:
Open up the orders section of the wallet and read how much you need to have there to cover all outstanding orders. Put that much in your wallet and pretend it's not there. Increase with every new order.

And risk billions if you flick keys wrong.

No thanks... I know it happens.. I sell plenty of 500 million plus mods that are supposed to sell for 500 thousand

I don't like being on the giving end of it after getting burned that way myself.


I did buy a 100 million isk clone the other day when all I needed was one that cost 7 million or something... ..thankfully the most expensive clone wasn't 1 billion isk.



Tab is your friend before updating an order to avoid fat finger errors :)

Margin trading is rarely a problem, unless you are waiting til all your buy orders fill before you have any active sells, in which case I can see that it would be problematic
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#9 - 2013-09-16 08:31:52 UTC
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
Is there a way to turn off Margin Trading.. and make full deposits to escrow ?

I accidentally trained it on one minor trading character and it came on a character I bought.

It is driving me nuts as I need to keep a couple billion in my active wallet to cover the purchases as my purchases are focused and I want to buy them all.

I've played the game long enough to know that I don't want more than a few hundred million in my active account... one slip of the "enter" key. after putting quantity in price field or clicking purchase on something with 3 extra digits can lead to a huge loss... that I protect myself of by keeping my balances low enough to reduce "worst case" scenario .

Splitting stacks on the sell side can also be advisable.. but it is easier to be aware a huge risk when you're putting a billion isk stack of something for sale.

The worst losses are often when you're dealing with something fairly inexpensive.


I can't "unlearn" a skill. Is there any interface feature I am missing to place the full amount to cover into escrow manually?

Put the buy order up for more than you needsd the amount in escrow is the total amount you want to buy. So if you are buying 100 items at 10m, and have a 50% escrow, you'd need to put a buy order up for 200 units at 10m.
Of course, you'll pay more in brokers fees.

Or you know, you could just put up with it, it's not the end of the world.

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arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#10 - 2013-09-16 08:48:30 UTC
1. Undock.
2. Get your friend to pop your pod.
3. Die.
4. Wake up in clone.

Repeat exact steps until Margin Trading is gone.

Thats a real method, and the only one 100% works.

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Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
#11 - 2013-09-16 09:19:20 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
1. Undock.
2. Get your friend to pop your pod.
3. Die.
4. Wake up in clone.

Repeat exact steps until Margin Trading is gone.

Thats a real method, and the only one 100% works.


i doubt it will before free clone kicks in at 900k.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#12 - 2013-09-16 10:18:36 UTC
By the time he gets to 900k margin trading will be gone. LVL 5 is defenetly going to drop.

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Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#13 - 2013-09-16 11:20:20 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
1. Undock.
2. Get your friend to pop your pod.
3. Die.
4. Wake up in clone.

Repeat exact steps until Margin Trading is gone.

Thats a real method, and the only one 100% works.


You should also fraps this process and submit the video to CCP to illustrate how important a skill removal feature is to you!
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#14 - 2013-09-16 11:23:03 UTC
In the Little things idea thread someone suggested that he would like to be able to delete skills without reimburstment. That sounds like something you could use.

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joyous the
Slippery Penguin
#15 - 2013-09-16 17:46:42 UTC
4 active accounts, roughly 500m sp, none in margin trading
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#16 - 2013-09-16 18:32:02 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
1. Undock.
2. Get your friend to pop your pod.
3. Die.
4. Wake up in clone.

Repeat exact steps until Margin Trading is gone.

Thats a real method, and the only one 100% works.


haha ... yes I am a person that explores all the options ... no matter how remotely feasable, and I did consider that one. As I only have it up to level 2, well wiping out 10 million sp on the alts that I train to trade and fly transport ships and bombers with torpedos... not quite quite worth it.

If I were going to be anal about it, I guess I'd sell the two characters with "the problem skill" and purchase others... .....

I'll just be careful and have my very slight ocd tendencies and my laziness(even a moments extra thought when I'd prefer to be thinking of something else while trading without active attention) slightly irritated for the 10 minutes once every three days that I log onto those characters.

It is hardly any crisis and I'm not getting "emo" about it... .. sometimes there is something you don't know though and it is good to ask.

.... RE tab - Yes.. very important concept for "young" traders who might not have stumbled on it. Commas appear at millions and billion marks once the trade imput screen loses focus. I prefer using the mouse to click another window to lose focus. If I hit a key, the way my mind wanders I might hit "enter".. one hot key starts being like another conceptually for me while on autopilot. Sticking to the mouse for the whole process is easier (do need to use keys to change the price though...not hot keys)

Yeah... I should HTFU lol.. but my goal is having a soft cushy chair to execute my trade empire from !

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arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#17 - 2013-09-16 19:04:14 UTC
Well if its that bothers you, sell them :)

I myself never train margin trading more then 4...

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-09-16 19:22:35 UTC
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
Is there a way to turn off Margin Trading.. and make full deposits to escrow ?


To avoid worst case losses, create an alt and a corp for that alt. Split corp financial divisions. Use that alt to buy and sell, always buying and selling from a corporate trading account. Ugh


Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#19 - 2013-09-17 02:49:12 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Nope.

As for the situation you describe ... yes it is very stupid design choice by CCP.


It would be nice with a toggle, on the Buy Order window, to use or not use Margin Trading for that particular order. I'd use mine all the time, but I can see the utility for other types of players, other playstyles, to be able to disable it. And then later change their mind and resume using it again.