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Storytime: The hisec carebear and the big bad leet PvP gang

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-09-16 01:10:30 UTC

Gather round children. It’s time for a bedtime story, a long long bedtime story by the looks ... and possibly one with a few chapters yet to be written. Tonight I’m going to tell you about the leet hisec wardec corporation and the poor defenceless carebears. This story has a theme that is as old as time itself, and in various forms has been told to my father, his father before him, and his father before him.

Why do I tell you this story now? Sure, it can be a brutal and uncompromising story, but it can also be comically funny and entertaining. I'm telling you at this time because I think you’re ready for it, because it’s real and true and happening right now, and because the leet wardec corporation just named their POS in my honour. Yes, admittedly they changed the POS name to ‘Stupid null bunny’ … possibly not intended to be entirely flattering … but they did make that change to recognise the very special nature of our current relationship. I'm also telling you now to seek your thoughts on how to approach this whole curious little issue.

The story begins, as so many do, with us quietly mining in a hisec pocket. Ice and ore in Minmatar Asgeir, a quiet resources system near where we run most of our industry. We have a fleet of fenrir, orca, exhumers and very expensive implanted clones quietly gathering resources while the general hubbub of eve washes on by.

Suddenly, out of the blue, up pops a chat invitation from Anthologee, someone we did not know. So I accept and greet him courteously, as I’ve taught you to always do. Without any preliminaries he advises me that if we do not pay him isk, 200M isk to be precise, his corp (Couster rebels) will wardec us and ruin our enjoyment of eve. I thank him for his kind offer, decline the invitation to pay him isk, and suggest that now would be a convenient time to wardec us. I was not too fussed about the prospects of a war, since we had heaps of time to get the expensive ships to safety and to bolster the defences of our POSes if needed.

A couple of days later it becomes clear that the 'Couster rebels' gang were not terribly honourable people, and were not at all good for their promises. They'd not wardecced us at all and had even, passed us by and wardecced other small hisec carebear corps with POSes in our systems. I was very disappointed at missing the opportunity to learn about hisec warfare from these experts in the field. Thinking, perhaps, that we were not a juicy enough target for them I anchored a few more undefended POS towers around the area and even tried taunting them a little. Still nothing, clearly my one-man hisec carebear corp was beneath their awesomeness.

Then, seeing that they had a couple of wardecs in action - against other hisec bears - I had us join with those defender corps. Within 24-hours 'Couster rebels' was empty except for Anthologee, they had all jumped corp to hisec NPC corps. One of them, Vicious Ascendant, had started another player corp 'Highsec ransoming inc'... with virtually identical specs to 'Couster rebels'. So I ask a few friendly agents some questions and find the original 'Couster rebels' gang scattered across the cosmos, with their main people quietly hiding in a Vorsk station.
Figuring we might still be able to obtain those much needed lessons, and that their new corp was intended for them to regroup and recommence their wardec ransom efforts, I place my first-ever wardec - against them. During the few days of this war they engage a Jita ganking corp as allies and even move one of their Jita alts into their one-character corp, perhaps to tempt us way over there. Needless to say Vicious Ascendant has been pretty well permadocked and his 'Highsec ransoming inc' has since been closed down.

At around the same time another of their people, Anthologee, starts up a second, very similar, corp - 'Highsec Ransoming Incorporated [RENSM]'. We did not wardec them, preferring to provide them the opportunity to regroup in relative peace so they can provide us with our lessons at some later time.

Having failed to get any traction on the wardecs we resorted to a little self-education on the art of ganking - import a bundle of catalysts and give it a try. One of their NPC corp evacuees was sticking around Vorsk and mining regularly. That effort has provided some more education for us ... retrievers are easy to solo-gank, procurers and covetors not so. The hisec mining veterans in Vorsk also have lots of nice little tricks to make themselves relatively safe from ganking - altho nothing is safe from a large enough gank-gang. It's been a good learning time - a couple successful ganks, a whisker of structure from a two-for-one gank (barge and hauler with the one gank-catalyst), and one fail-gank (procurer's tank just laughed at my DPS).

By this time we'd identified a collection of their alts and some of the hisec alliances they were hiding in. So I decide to wardec one of those alliances - Fearless Flying Frogs [FRO.G]. I'd formed myself a new little corp for that purpose - appropriately named 'Terribad Gay Failtard Carebears [FAYL]'. A one-person deccing a medium-sized alliance is a bit of pushing-it-uphill, but 'why not?' I figured, we have little to lose. I knew where they were based, I had found a number of their POSes (their corp as well as other alliance corps), so I figured it'd provide a little more hisec combat education if nothing else.

....

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-09-16 01:11:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
...

Within minutes I have the FRO.G alliance CEO asking me why we'd decced them. He seemed a decent enough fellow, so I explain, honestly, that I'm actually still seeking the warfare lessons promised by a small group within his alliance and have no real beef with the rest of them ... but that I'm happy to take those lessons from the rest of them if that'd what comes to pass. He asks what would be needed for the decc to 'go away' and I suggest he kick certain corps and characters and refund my wardec fees. Family friends suggested I extract some 'ransom' isk from him but that's of little interest to me, and was the start of this little saga anyways.

So this evening I login and go check some of their alliance POSes as well as their 'Anthologee Of A Phoenix [ANNTH]' Vorsk corp POS, while waiting for the wardec to come into force. Lo and behold, they have renamed their Vorsk tower to 'Stupid null bunny' ... a taunt they had directed at me a few times already in their eve-mails. Not only that but there was a fenrir there anchoring all sorts of additional weaponry and offlining industrial stuff.

So that's about where we stand right now. This story has not yet reached the 'happily ever after' point, but there's been a few lessons for us so far. I'd welcome advice on how we might have better handled the matter, but do remember I am approaching this solo ... me, myself, and I ... so do not have an awful lot of combat resources readily available.

So far:

  • I was surprised how readily they all jumped-ship off to the relative safety of NPC corps ... all the while continuing to taunt me for my (accepted) failtard status.
  • I will be interested to see if the alliance CEO does dump them from alliance. That would leave me with most of them off hiding in NPC corps and a skeleton crew to run their POS.
  • I wonder whether they will pulldown the POS while I sleep. Perhaps I will return to find an offline stick and nothing else. I doubt I have the firepower, even bringing all my people online, to take down a half-decent POS in any reasonable amount of time ... and anyway why would I want to kill a POS named 'Stupid null bunny' after me?
  • If I continue the ganking it looks like I'll have to escalate and go to two-catalysts or mebbe talos / brutix, one doesn't seem to have the oomph for anything above the retriever.


So, people more experienced in hisec antics, how is this going to play out? It has been quite the learning experience for me. I wonder whether they will just keep running and hiding in NPC corps and stations until I 'go away'? I guess they probably have to, because a rampaging solo carebear can be a very scary thing.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-09-16 01:11:55 UTC
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I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Night Sword
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-09-16 02:17:56 UTC
too long, cant be bothered to even begin to read
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#5 - 2013-09-16 02:38:01 UTC
Sounds like they're getting what's coming to them. You've probably deterred them from bothering you, but there's no kill like overkill.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.

Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-09-16 03:40:59 UTC
High sec wardec corps are extortion artists, not (usually) pvp pilots. Some Ive seen are nothing more than alts made for the purpose of looking to make a quick bit of isk off nothing tougher than an evemail or a quick convo. Actually fighting and possibly loosing isk is counter productive to their business model. Unlike a merc corp they are not trying or required to kill anything. Its all a bluff and when they are called on it, they do exactly what you saw, disband, re-form, or go into hiding. You can continue to chase them if you want but aside from suicide ganking them you will probably never draw them into a pitched fight.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-09-16 03:53:44 UTC
JAF Anders wrote:
Sounds like they're getting what's coming to them. You've probably deterred them from bothering you, but there's no kill like overkill.


Yes, probably overkill … altho not many kills at all 

Andracin wrote:
High sec wardec corps are extortion artists, not (usually) pvp pilots. Some Ive seen are nothing more than alts made for the purpose of looking to make a quick bit of isk off nothing tougher than an evemail or a quick convo. Actually fighting and possibly losing isk is counter productive to their business model. Unlike a merc corp they are not trying or required to kill anything. It’s all a bluff and when they are called on it, they do exactly what you saw, disband, re-form, or go into hiding. You can continue to chase them if you want but aside from suicide ganking them you will probably never draw them into a pitched fight.


Thanks. That’s certainly in keeping with my observations so far. I wasn’t really aware that they were primarily extortionists, but thought that either the isk or the war would be equally attractive to them.

I did watch them take down some poorly defended POSes during the other wardec, but never did see them tackle anything able to fight back or counter-hassle them.

I’m probably not up for much of a pitched fight. Given my numbers I’m more inclined to trying to pick one or two of them off here and there. I’m thinking I will continue to play for a wee while longer, it’s quite the learning experience for me.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-09-16 17:30:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Baron' Soontir Fel
you want pvp lessons, join a small FW corp for alittle bit. Get some fights in low-sec.


mis-read.... high-sec 'pvp' consists of gank catalysts, instalock tornados, and 3bil 'pvp' ships that play station games with double links and t2 logi alts. don't bother.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#9 - 2013-09-17 00:12:06 UTC
Read "hisec" and quit reading.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Fret Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-09-17 07:36:52 UTC
Might I suggest good sir starting a sister corp with those interested in pvp and joining fw's.

I don't know how big your corp is but having dedicated indy pilots backing some people interested in pvp can be the start to a really good corp.

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-09-17 10:35:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
Fret Thiesant wrote:
Might I suggest good sir starting a sister corp with those interested in pvp and joining fw's.
I don't know how big your corp is but having dedicated indy pilots backing some people interested in pvp can be the start to a really good corp.


Yeah, thanks. Gave FW a thought a wee while ago, when going thru my latest "What next in eve?" phase. Did some reading around these forums and decided against it. Mebbe one day, but not now.

I can take some heart now with my wardec guys tho. They are going to great pains to send me abusive eve-mails telling me how bad I am (true) and how great they are. I guess it means they love me after all. I feel vindicated.

Thanks also to the folk who've mailed me and not posted here. Doing stuff solo it's nice to get helpful advice and little bits of encouragement ... in between all the 'douchebag' comments in the other eve-mails I'm receiving :-)


Fret Thiesant wrote:
I don't know how big your corp is ...


I am entirely solo in this effort, and have advised the leet-PvP guys of that. I'd hate to have them worrying about being outnumbered or blobbed.

Mind you, I'd happily blob them if I could muster and play enough alts to do so :-)


Let us all never forget that ...

Substantia Nigra wrote:
... a rampaging solo carebear can be a very scary thing.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-09-17 23:57:39 UTC
LOL, I enjoyed this..
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#13 - 2013-09-19 06:53:53 UTC
runners win in EVE
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#14 - 2013-09-19 09:35:47 UTC
I actually enjoyed reading this!

I'm no pro eve high sec pvper, but I do advise tracking ALL the members of the enemy corp. Find their mission runners, preferably ones still running missions but about 30 jumps away (someone always trys to mission run in a dec).

Now you know their alternate mission location hop a ship over there with Black frog designed to kill the mission runners boat. Send a jump clone over when targets are offline. When he logs on ensure target is mission running with alt again and go **** him up.

Rinse, repeat.

Oh also, don't forget to shoot a pos with drive by shots just to annoy them with in game messages.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2013-09-19 12:03:15 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
I actually enjoyed reading this!


Thanks. I wanted to try make it a little, somewhat entertaining story. More fun to write and, hopefully, better on the reader too.


Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:

I'm no pro eve high sec pvper, but I do advise tracking ALL the members of the enemy corp.


The corp has pretty well gone to ground, and their alliance is 150+. I have located a couple of other alliance activity centres, long way aways, and have managed a couple blitz miner hits. Supposedly easy kills, altho I did spend a fair biy of time worrying their drones would dice my bomber.


Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:

Now you know their alternate mission location hop a ship over there with Black frog designed to kill the mission runners boat. Send a jump clone over when targets are offline. When he logs on ensure target is mission running with alt again and go **** him up.


Thanks. I like this idea. I have no shortage of covops scout scanner alts and some orca / freighter alts ... all out of corp. So it's no major hassle doing this, once I find them. The difficulty so far is finding who their active people are, and I don't know that I want to watchlist all 150+ of them.

Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:

Oh also, don't forget to shoot a pos with drive by shots just to annoy them with in game messages.


lol, we used to do this a lot in previous life, but I think I'll give it a miss right now. A bit too worried I'll mess the timing and lose my ship. Mebbe I should have added 'cowardly' into my new corp-name.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-09-23 03:30:17 UTC
Update: So far I am losing this war, but it’s kinda fun ... in a humiliating and painful way ... and I’m learning heaps.

I’ve managed a couple relatively easy solo-miner kills, the main difficulty being getting into system and then ongrid before the miner is somewhere else.

I’ve also managed to be cleverly ambushed and killed, losing an expensively-fit bomber in the process. In that case my scout (by then known to them I suspect) had setup a warp-in onto a hulk and orca. I approached the system via an unlikely route, to avoid scouts if possible, and jumped into the target system. While I was in warp to the target ships the hulk pilot swapped to a huginn, from the orca’s hangar, and my warp ended <2km from a jetcan. The huginn had me locked pointed and, damnit, webbed before I’d aligned for a run-away warpout. I died very soon afterwards. Kudos to the clever bastard, he was well prepared for my solo-bomber effort and executed very nicely. Perhaps I’d have retained my ship if I’d used a better researched warpin. Given the choice I’d not have decloaked a solo bomber ongrid with an angry huginn pilot.

Other than that it’s been a huge amount of chasing around, all over the cosmos, trying to catch some of them unawares … and trying to find or manufacture new scouts that my enemies have not yet identified. I suppose I could up the ante, and not just use a solo bomber, but it’s a fun challenge trying to find something I can kill and then execute that kill … against an alert and savvy bunch of opponents.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Narcotic Gryffin
Digital Mercenaries Inc.
#17 - 2013-09-24 17:47:01 UTC
I came
I read
I loled

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Ginger Barbarella
#18 - 2013-09-25 02:33:27 UTC
Stopped after first paragraph. Thanks for wasting 30 seconds of my life, OP.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Cpt Smasher
Rafzakael Enterprises
#19 - 2013-10-01 19:10:15 UTC
Just curious if they still have that tower up. Is there scram batteries? Could just use a sentry drone boat if you get bored, and want to replace boredom with a more extreme boredom. You know.... Everything extreme is always better. Cool
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Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
#20 - 2013-10-04 13:29:27 UTC
This reminds me of Charlie Murphy's Greenpeace "enviroMENTAList" war on miners using jetcans, and a 1-man battle against a corp. That was funny stuff.

Anyway, thanks for writing this up. Those of us with almost-normal attention spans and an 8th-grade reading level enjoyed it.
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